The Birthers Decided It Would Be Cheaper To Mass Produce Echo Chambers
Well, what a sad day. I got “DQ’ed” at Karl Denninger’s Market Ticker Forum for laying a little truth on them. This is sad because that is one of the four or five websites I make it a point to visit daily. Anyway, Karl Denninger, who I respect very much for his common sense financial analysis, got to hanging around with liars and charlatans like Special Deputy Jerome “Jerry” Corsi, and ended up drinking the idiotic Birther two citizen parents kool-aid.
Here are a few excerpts from the Market Ticker Internet Article:
Here are the facts:
Deconstructing Marco Rubio: INELIGIBLE
Rubio was born to two parents who were not citizens at the time of his birth. They were here in the country and he was born here, but his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth.
At a later date his parents became citizens of the United States.
Marco Rubio is ineligible to be President of the United States under the natural born citizen requirement. He is a citizen but will never be a natural born citizen as he was not at birth due to the Cuban citizenship of his parents and you cannot retroactively acquire natural born citizenship status.
He therefore must not be nominated as VP, since the primary qualification for that office is the ability to stand as President if something happens to the President while he is in office.
I know there are people who think the Constitution shouldn’t read this way on natural born citizenship as a requirement for this office, but it does read this way AND IS WHAT IT IS.
Here is a link to the complete article:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=205117
Sooo, to correct this blatant nonsense, I made the following comment, which is on page 3 of the comments:
The “two-citizen parent” requirement is Imaginary Law. The issue was decided in 1898 in the Wong Kim Ark case. This case was cited extensively in a 2009 Indiana case, Ankeny v. Governor, to wit:
The Birthers argued:
“[c]ontrary to the thinking of most People on the subject, there’s a very clear distinction between a “citizen of the United States” and a “natural born Citizen,” and the difference involves having [two] parents of U.S. citizenship, owing no foreign allegiance.”
To which the Indiana court said:
Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”15
That is The REAL Law, as opposed to the Birther’s IMAGINARY Law. As far as Mino[r] v. Happersett being “precedent” as to defining natural born citizenship, the very idea is laughable to anyone who can read and comprehend simple sentences written in English. Court after court rejects the notion, and if you want one recent example, then simply refer to the recent Tisdale case from Virginia:
The Federal Judge slapped the suit down holding:
The eligibility requirements to be President of the United States are such that the individual must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States and at least thirty-five years of age. U.S. Const. art. II, § 1. It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens. See, e.g., United States v. Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702 (1898) (“Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States.”); Perkis v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 409 (1938). Moreover, “those born ‘in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ … have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding … and thus eligible for the presidency.” Hollander v. McCain, 566 F. Supp. 2d 63, 66 (D.N.H 2008). Thus, Mr. Tisdale’s contention that President Obama, Governor Romney, and Congressman Paul are not eligible to be President due to their nationalities is without merit.
That is one of at least 4 or 5 cases this year alone which chunked the two citizen parent nonsense out the door.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Which, got me DQ’ed, whatever that is, which means I can’t post there anymore. I find this disturbing. Not only has Denninger drunk deeply and long from the Well of Two Citizen Parents Stupidity, but he has apparently picked up another nasty little Birther habit . . . banning people who tell him he is wrong. This is probably a smart, though not courageous, move on his part, because when the law isn’t on your side, then it is a little inconvenient to have somebody citing it to you. Which ought to tell him something.
And BTW (which means by the way) should Karl Denninger or any other Birther wish to make comments here, I don’t DQ or ban people who disagree with me. Which also ought to tell him something. Like I ain’t scairt to defend my position.
Another disturbing thing is how he is ruining his credibility on financial matters with this Birther fling. He is one of the few people who has a really good grasp on the macro-economic situation and should he become more well known, there are people who are going to look at his Birtherism and dismiss him like he was a Moon Landing Denier. Not only does he have an Achille’s Heel, he has managed to insert it into his own mouth.
I will discuss his article in more depth at a later date. Meanwhile, I guess nobody is perfect, and this is probably God’s way of instilling a little humility in Denninger who I believe will one day pull his head out of his rear end on this. I sense at heart that he is a very honest person, and when he finally figures out how he has been completely hoodwinked on this stuff, first will come sad, and then will come mad. . .
And then I wouldn’t want to be Jerry Corsi taking scuba lessons from him.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
April 24th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Of course, Squeeky;
When Americans understand that in your view; we the People are merely subjects to an executive sovereign, rather than free Citizens in a Constitutional Republic; they too will see what Denninger now sees.
ex animo
davidfarrar
April 24th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Has Denninger seen you cross-dressing? Perhaps, the American people would want to be spared that.
April 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
We the people means everybody, including me, Squeeky and your President Obama. To say otherwise is selfish and unAmerican. We the people voted, our Congress certified, our courts ruled and you lost. Live with it.
Only the Birthers want to remove the rights of We the people, the still free Citizens of a Constitutional Republic.
April 24th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
David:
What “executive sovereign”??? The interpretations of “natural born citizenship” are coming from judges and courts. If you had your way, and only kids of two citizen parents were eligible for the Presidency, would the power of the Presidency be any less??? Or any more???
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
April 24th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
The national government, the feds, anyone exercising executive power; including judges and courts.
If I had my way, and the way I believe was directly articulated in the Senate debates on the 14th Amendment by Sens. Howard and Trumbull, plus Representative John Bingham’s contributions; the only way you can have an American birthright is by being a natural born Citizen, period, even if the mother was an American citizen and born within the boundaries.
In those days, it was only the Father’s citizenship that mattered. Of course that has all changed now. And with those changes came an even more compelling reason to rely only on those who were born of citizen-parents. Since Congress gave women the legal right to bear allegiance for their “issues”; the only way now to insure one allegiance since birth to support and defend the Constitution of the United States is by both parents being US citizens prior to the blessed event.
ex animo
davidfarrar
April 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
It’s ironic that someone that constantly advocates rebellion and sedition to pontificate on Americanism.
How many citizen parents do you and Darren Huff have? Did that prevent you from inducing him to engage in insurrection?
April 25th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Ah, so it’s a matter of women being less able to bestow allegiance is it, David? Kind of like how they are less able to vote intelligently, so they shouldn’t have the right to vote?
Or is it because you think men are superior to women in general?
April 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
David, you may believe it otherwise and not like it, but, you are wrong, and you continue to be wrong and you, the other GA petitioners and Apuzzo have lost, repeatedly. Nothing in Natural Born Citizenship has changed. You just did not realize what it really meant.
That means, Obama was eligible then and he is eligible now.
Maybe you would like to answer, how a father who was not involved in his sons life can be the controlling influence in his son’s life over his mother and grandparents who raised him? Is there a special gene that determines this? Does this gene mutate if the father naturalizes before the child is born?
April 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The power of the Presidency would have a “stronger check” against foreign influences affecting the Commander in chief of all its armed forces; yes.
ex animo
davidfarrar
April 24th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
DavidF:
Then you need to think President Jane Fonda. Why don’t you tune in to the Reality Check radio program that is on from 8:00 to 10:00 tonight on Blogtalk Radio. You can just listen and not have to get on the show or anything if you don’t want to.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
April 24th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Perhaps, what is direly needed in the U.S. at present, is not a “stronger check” against foreign influences; but, rather, a strong check against domestic treason and sedition by nominal NBCs that seek the destruction of the United States.
What is needed is for the “do nothing” AG of the U.S. to vigorously prosecute treasonous conduct by native-born neo-confederates that preach insurrection and induce others to actively engage in it. The Smith Act provides the necessary tools to effect prosecution, so why won’t the Justice Department use it?
I wouldn’t mind if the culprits are able to bring their favorite dildoes and butt-plugs with them to their cells, so long as they are of the street and can’t preach sedition.
April 24th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
typo: should be “…are off the street…” instead of “are of the street.”
April 25th, 2012 at 12:13 am
I’ll tell you one thing, if there’s anything Squeeky’s a-scairt of, I reckon I better be a-scairt of it, too.
April 25th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Breaking !
In their new e-book THE VOODOOD PRINCE, coming out soon, Dr. Corsi and his co-author Sheriff Joe will reveal the shocking facts they have unearthed during a short travel to Africa:
When The Usurper was born in Kenya the most powerful sorcerer of Africa performed several Voodoo-Rites ! The details are too horrorful to be described here, where children an good Christians may read.
The sorcerer promised the mother of The Usurper – she made a horrible sacrifice in exchange – to make her son POTUS !
Through mighty voodoo-sorcery the sorcerer forced the employees of the Hawaiian Department of Health to register the Kenyan birth as having happened in Hawaii and give notice to the local newspapers.
After that he put a spell on every living and still to be born person not only in the USA but the whole world. He forced them to support The Usurper in every possible way:
to finance his schools and his posh lifestyle;
to forge his school-records;
to put fake reports about studies in Harvard in the papers;
to vote for him.
Only True Christians are immune against this spell, True Christians like Joseph Farah, Dr. Corsi, David Farrar, Leo Donofrio, Mario Apuzzo, Larry Kleyman and Sheriff Joe. They can see behind the voodoo smokescreen.
Unfortunately all the Judges are spellbound and deny each and every plaint. Are there no Christian Judges any more ?
That there are some people in the Birther movement who are no Christians like Dr. Orly Taitz is easy to explain: in reality they are OBOTS, sent out by The Usurper to destroy the Birther movement. Unfortunately Dr. Taitz seems to able to reach that purpose.
What a horror.
Rmoney
April 25th, 2012 at 8:42 am
I am leaving this comment here, although it really applies to your previous post. (No one commented on that post but, pointing out these facts merits attention.)
As you indicated, World Net Daily = Western Center for Journalism. Thus, it is not surprising that anything printed by one is rehashed by the other.
Know your sources.
JERKING AROUND
April 25th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I love the “Bizarro World” clip from Seinfeld.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
That was a good Internet Article you did on that. One of the big people behind Western Center for Journalism is Floyd Brown, who has a reputation for fighting “dirty.” Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but “lying and deceiving” people isn’t “dirty.” It’s just “lying and deceptive.” That goes way beyond “dirty.”
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
April 25th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Breaking !
In their new e-book THE VOODOOD PRINCE, coming out soon, Dr. Corsi and his co-author Sheriff Joe will reveal the shocking facts they have unearthed during a short travel to Africa:
When The Usurper was born in Kenya the most powerful sorcerer of Africa performed several Voodoo-Rites ! The details are too horrorful to be described here, where children an good Christians may read.
The sorcerer promised the mother of The Usurper – she made a horrible sacrifice in exchange – to make her son POTUS !
Through mighty voodoo-sorcery the sorcerer forced the employees of the Hawaiian Department of Health to register the Kenyan birth as having happened in Hawaii and give notice to the local newspapers.
After that he put a spell on every living and still to be born person not only in the USA but the whole world. He forced them to support The Usurper in every possible way:
to finance his schools and his posh lifestyle;
to forge his school-records;
to put fake reports about studies in Harvard in the papers;
to vote for him.
Only True Christians are immune against this spell, True Christians like Joseph Farah, Dr. Corsi, David Farrar, Leo Donofrio, Mario Apuzzo, Larry Kleyman and Sheriff Joe. They can see behind the voodoo smokescreen.
Unfortunately all the Judges are spellbound and deny each and every plaint. Are there no Christian Judges any more ?
That there are some people in the Birther movement who are no Christians like Dr. Orly Taitz is easy to explain: in reality they are OBOTS, sent out by The Usurper to destroy the Birther movement. Unfortunately Dr. Taitz seems to able to reach that purpose.
What a horror.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Hi Dr.Hugenmountain!!!
There was also part of the spell that clouded the minds of the Birthers so that they can’t read and comprehend simple sentences like, “not necessary to solve these doubts” from Minor v. Happersett.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
April 25th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
There is an aspect of the two-US-parent theory that birthers ignore. It is that in order to believe that theory one must believe that the founders thought that the US-born children of foreigners were really not as good as the US-born children of US citizens.
That the founders did not believe that the US-born children of foreigners were just as good is possible, of course. But there are two things that argue that they did not think that. First is that they never said that they thought that the US-born children of foreigners were not as good, and second, they had written: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.”
To be sure, many of the writers held slaves, and hence they did not literally believe that all men were created equal. But that is still not proof that they held that the US-born children of foreigners were not as good as the US-born children of US citizens. It is obviously unfair to assume that they had more prejudices than there is actual evidence for. And there is NO evidence that they considered the US-born children of foreigners of lower status than the US-born childen of US citizens.
Four score and twenty years after the Declaration of Independence Lincoln declared that this nation was conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. He then went on to say that the Civil War was a test whether a nation so conceived and so dedicated could long endure. In short, in his opinion, the war was in part a test of whether all men are equal.
And yet there appear to be people who still believe that the US-born children of foreigners are not equal, and should not be treated as equal, to the US-born children of US citizens. And, not only do they not believe it, they think—without a shred of evidence–that James Madison, Ben Franklin and George Washington did not believe it either.
To the millions of Americans who have had foreign parents or foreign grandparents that is a shocking thing to hold. Are you saying that my US-born parents, or my US-born grandparents were not as good as other people born in America at the same time? Well, Lincoln for sure did not think that they were unequal, and there is no evidence that Washington did either.
May 19th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Ahhh you’ve been banished to Ticker hell as well I see. For doing nothing more than destroying one of his arguments, which really isn’t that hard. I went thru the same thing there a year ago once he latched on to the “forged” birth certificate thing. I warned him that by going there he was no different than the 9/11 truthers who also had “physical” and “technical” evidence of such and such but could never explain all the other circumstantial evidence which would make their proposed scenarios impossible. Instant ban.
Did you see he’s now latching onto Michelle Obama’s “admission” videos where she says Obama is from Kenya as some further proof? He’s gone completely off the deep end now. I’d destroy him on this point as it involves his ignorance of how people of color talk about their ancestry and ethnicity but he’s blocked my emails and tweets as well.
He’s not that smart on financial matters either. He continues to predict the US is going the Euro route when that is just physically impossible. He completely ignores the fundamental difference between the monetary systems. He’s been predicting the sky is falling for quite some time now but when you ask him for a date he’ll clam up.
He’s not an honest guy. Honest people welcome debate and someone honest would have taken your post and tried to dissect it piece by piece. Once he realized he couldn’t, he knew banning you was the only way out since others might read it and start questioning his logic. I was willing to debate him and the rest of the lemmings on that forum and be outnumbered and he still banned me.
That’s the mark of a false prophet who must keep up the charade of knowledge or else his new career is finished. I lost a ton of respect for that guy.
July 23rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
PRAVDA THE COMMUNIST NEWSPAPER RIPS OBUMMER
PRAVDA THE COMMUNIST NEWSPAPER RIPS OBUMMER
n March 7th, 2012, Pravda called out the U.S. press for its deliberate neglect of the largest scandal in modern American history. Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio released credible forensic evidence that Barack Obama, presumed President of the United States, presented to the world a forged Birth Certificate on April 27th, 2011.
Since then, the scandal has only expanded. Former United States Postal Service worker Allen Hulton has recently come forward with compelling testimony given under Oath, which leads to only one conclusion: Barack Obama attended College in the United States as a Foreign Student.
DON’T TREAD ON ME !!!
NBC *NATIONAL BABOON COMMISSION*******
July 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
JohnW:
Stictly speaking, it wasn’t Pravda calling out the U.S. press, but only a Leo Donofrio Birfer groupie named Dianna Cotter writing a silly and under-researched article.
If you would read more stuff here, you would see that I wrote several very good Internet Articles about “The Dianna” and her Pravda piece. Here is one I wrote right after March 7, 2012:
http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/the-dianna-wears-pravda-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%85-%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B9/
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
July 31st, 2012 at 1:10 am
A federal court in Washington, DC, held last week that political appointees appointed by President Obama did interfere with the Department of Justice’s prosecution of the New Black Panther Party.
The ruling came as part of a motion by the conservative legal watch dog group Judicial Watch, who had sued the DOJ in federal court to enforce a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for documents pertaining to the the New Black Panthers case. Judicial Watch had secured many previously unavailable documents through their suit against DOJ and were now suing for attorneys’ fees.
Obama’s DOJ had claimed Judicial Watch was not entitled to attorney’s fees since “none of the records produced in this litigation evidenced any political interference whatsoever in” how the DOJ handled the New Black Panther Party case. But United States District Court Judge Reggie Walton disagreed. Citing a “series of emails” between Obama political appointees and career Justice lawyers, Walton writes:
The documents reveal that political appointees within DOJ were conferring about the status and resolution of the New Black Panther Party case in the days preceding the DOJ’s dismissal of claims in that case, which would appear to contradict Assistant Attorney General Perez’s testimony that political leadership was not involved in that decision. Surely the public has an interest in documents that cast doubt on the accuracy of government officials’ representations regarding the possible politicization of agency decision-making.
…
In sum, the Court concludes that three of the four fee entitlement factors weigh in favor of awarding fees to Judicial Watch. Therefore, Judicial Watch is both eligible and entitled to fees and costs, and the Court must now consider the reasonableness of Judicial Watch’s requested award.
July 31st, 2012 at 6:52 pm
A FEDERAL JUDGE RULED IT SO YOU OBUMMER TRAITOR LOVERS !!!!!!!!!!!
A federal court in Washington, DC, held last week that political appointees appointed by President Obama did interfere with the Department of Justice’s prosecution of the New Black Panther Party