The Birthers Discussed Whether Or Not They Had The Juice To Charge The Whole Thing
Well, as we reported the other day, Tracy Fair, aka KenyaBornObamAcorn, got smacked down in court. See story here:
From the picture above, Ms. Fair seems to have calmed down some since then, because today she was calm enough to post:
Here is a link to the order:
The Court cited the Ankeny Decision at length, and once again slaps down Mario “The Mangler” Apuzzo’s crackpot legal theory that there is a difference between a 14th Amendment citizen born in the United States and a natural born citizen as contemplated in Article II of the U.S.Constitution.
The worse news for Tracy Fair, is that she has been assessed the costs of this proceeding. As far as my input, I think Ms. Fair should appeal, and run her costs up even higher. But then again, I don’t like her.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Note 1. The Image. Continuing the “Tracy Fair as the Bride of Frankenstein” theme, this image is from the 1935 film, Bride of Frankenstein.
Note 2. The Image Easter Egg. This is a wordplay on “They Should Have Knowed“. An “anode” is the negatively charged terminal of a voltaic cell or storage battery that supplies current. Frankenstein has such terminals on each side of his neck. It is presumed The Bride’s terminals are more discreetly placed.
Note 3. Just for what it’s worth, there is another Internet Article here about Tracy Fair, My Fair Loony:
August 30th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Of course there is a difference between a 14th Amendment citizen born in the United States and a natural born citizen as contemplated in Article II of the U.S.Constitution. One is by natural law (natural born) and the other is by positive law (naturalization) created by the plenary authority of the government.
I will raise the same question John Jay raised to G. Washington, Chairman of the 1787 Constitutional Convention concerning this issue:
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Which is the ‘stronger check’ against foreign influences? Allowing dual allegiances at birth under the 14th Amendment at birth or requiring both parents to be US citizens? If you see the latter as the stronger check, than these present lower state courts rulings, including the Tracy Fair decision, are unconstitutional; irrespective of who happens to be in the White House.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 30th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
David says: “Which is the ‘stronger check’ against foreign influences? Allowing dual allegiances at birth under the 14th Amendment at birth or requiring both parents to be US citizens?”
Let me say C…allowing the American voters to look at both candidates and decide which would be best for the country, since we know throughout history that neither of your two choices is stronger.
August 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Have we not been paying attention? There is no difference now and there was no difference then. I think you need a reminder from a Federal Judge from your state who was kind enough to educate your attorney. Take it away Judge Land;
“Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so,”
August 30th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I always find it entertaining replying to Northland10, King of the Red Herring.
He regurgitates the words of Judge Land; “Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so,”
Is not that the nub of problem we’re having with what ObummO and his operatives are claiming with the release of the 2011 Birth Certificate? Does it make it so because they say it’s a genuine copy of the original they’re alleging to be on file?
August 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
It’s a genuine copy because the ultimate authority as to who was born in Hawai’i (the Hawai’i Department of Health) says so. They are the ultimate authority because the US Constitution says so. Why do seditious asshats like yourself continually denigrate the Constitution?
August 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I feel sooo honored by Rambo_Ike, it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside (I probably should see a doctor about that condition).
However, I was replying to David’s repeating the same 14th Amendment vs. original Article II which has been rejected by various courts and has no backing anywhere except in the Birtherverse (and various neo-Confederates and SovCits). Just because David keeps repeating this does not make it true. Rambo’s response, on the other hand, went off in the direction of the birth certificate, as if to distract or lead away from the topic of the reply to David. I think there is a term for this.
August 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
David “out of breath” (an accurate translation of your Latin epithet—maybe you should get more exercise),
Did John Jay say he wanted a “stronger check” or the “strongest check”? No, he did not—you are just putting words in his mouth. Nor does your universally discredited theory provide a stronger check against the admission of foreigners—it just excludes US citizens in a distinctly racist and fundamentally unAmerican way.
Regarding the 14th Amendment, it refers to citizens “born or naturalized”—i.e. the same two classes of citizen that the main body of the Constitution refers to. Only someone who was unconcerned with appearing blatantly racist would interpret the 14th Amendment in the way you do (which has the effect of disenfranchising the former slaves).
Regarding the term “plenary”—it means unqualified or absolute (as in plenary indulgence), so a plenary power of the government would be one that is stronger than other powers… Your continued incorrect use of this term (and many others) marks you as extremely ignorant—is a dishonest, ignorant bigot really the image you wish to project?
August 31st, 2012 at 2:18 am
David has consistently shown that he has a poor grasp of many words in the English language. Reading comprehension is clearly not his baileywick.
August 31st, 2012 at 2:27 am
I’m hard pressed to imagine what he doesn’t do poorly. I mean, come on, this guy picked Orly as his lawyer… except for his initial filing—care to tell us who helped you with that, David “out of breath”? You clearly couldn’t have done it by yourself.
August 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
David, can you cite a source in existent and in English during the writing of the Constitution the referred to “natural born citizen” as being a part of natural law?
(I won’t be holding my breath)
August 31st, 2012 at 2:14 am
“The ‘stronger check’ against foreign influences” is what the clauses about not giving citizenship to children of diplomats, foreign leaders and invading armies is all about.
That is all it amounts too, sorry.
The rest of your imagined fears are just that – poorly conceived bogeyman scenarios that exist only within your own mind.
August 31st, 2012 at 6:31 am
What you suggest might be a stronger check on foreign influence. However, it is NOT what the Constitution says, and it is not what the law says.
If you want the law changed, the constitution changed, the president changed, the correct mechanism is the democratic process. Get elected, or lobby your elected representatives, use your vote.
Your strategy, of fantastical truth-butchery, and harassment with frivolus and vexatious lawsuits is anti-democratic and simply scummy.
Nobody agrees with you and the citizen/Citizen 14th Amendment / 2nd Article idioterati, except your own little mutual admiration society. No sane politician, no competent lawyer, and absolutely no judges, past, present or future. That makes you WRONG!
But in Birtherstani, facts must not be allowed to trump delusion. So you will continue with your obsessive insanity.
August 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Ignoramus David, ex animal, re-emerges after crash course is neo-Confederate history. Unsatisfied with having been proven dog-dick ignorant several times on this blog, he masochistically begs: “Whup me again, please.”
Btw, David, how many citizen parents did former VP John C. Calhoun have? Did that qualification prevent his treason and rebellion?
How many citizen parents did Jonathan Pollard have? Did those parents prevent him from betraying the US for a foreign power?
Ah, yes, you point out Aaron Burr whose parents were born English citizens. But, he was “grandfathered” a NBC for constitutional purposes and became VP of US. Didn’t prevent him from plotting with Spain to dismember the US.
August 30th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Whoops…my apologies if some people misunderstood; Calhoun was dead by the Civil War, but he is the philosophical father of nullification and secession.
August 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
On the flip side, how many citizen parents did John C. Fremont, the first Republican presidential candidate, have?
August 30th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Are we really sure who his father was? His mother did take in borders and he was born out of wedlock. Maybe we should consult his birth certificate…oh, wait. =))
August 31st, 2012 at 12:27 am
Northland10,
Was it me leading away from the Article II issue? Or, was I giving you a hint with “Northland10, King of the Red Herring” at what you did? Judge Land’s statement was for the Birth Certificate and not the Article II issue. Only Plastic Man would have that kind of stretch. Oh my….say it isn’t so….have I finally metup with one of my boyhood comic heros?
Anyhow, thx for the lead-in so I could point out the sheer hypocrisy spewing from Obots that have surgically attached their lower lip to Obummo’s butt with “simply saying something is so does not make it so” and then say Hawaiian Health Dept. officials told us it’s so. I beg to differ with anyone who claims Obots can’t be entertaining.
Sorry Northland10 but today’s Grand Prize winner for originality – one I’ve never heard before – goes to Slartibartfast, one of the racially obsessed legendary smear merchants of Obot World, with ‘the Constitution gives state level officials authority to withhold evidence on a federal level government servant from the the other 49 states and all the American voting citizens’. Ya just never know when you’re gonna learn something new.
August 31st, 2012 at 2:23 am
You ignorantly stated, “Anyhow, thx for the lead-in so I could point out the sheer hypocrisy spewing from Obots that have surgically attached their lower lip to Obummo’s butt with “simply saying something is so does not make it so” and then say Hawaiian Health Dept. officials told us it’s so. I beg to differ with anyone who claims Obots can’t be entertaining.”
Sorry, but no hypocricy there. If you can’t grasp the difference between pointing out that mere internet rumour-mongering is not valid authority (e.g. the “Alice in Wonderland” quip) and validation from THE OFFICIAL authority in charge of certain records (in this case, the HI DOH), then you are either terminally stupid or insane.
August 31st, 2012 at 2:29 am
Come on, G, he might just be dishonest (and terminally stupid).
August 31st, 2012 at 3:06 am
Agreed. BOTH is the most likely answer… (although, you can’t rule out him hitting the full-trifecta, with certifiably crazy as part of the mix)
September 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
He’s a birther, Slarti. Get rid of the “might” and you’ve hit the nail on the head.
August 31st, 2012 at 4:31 am
Ike,
The reason that what you (or any other birther) says doesn’t matter and what the Hawai’i DoH says does is that a court, absent credible evidence of fraud, must assume that their word is good, while your accusations (which are absent any credible evidence whatsoever) must be disregarded. Maybe you’ve heard of the concept innocent until proven guilty…
September 1st, 2012 at 2:17 am
Sorry Ike,
What I said was that the Hawai’i DoH was the ultimate authority regarding who was born in Hawai’i according to the Constitution. Also, it’s just pointing out the obvious to note that the birthers are a group of bigots who never have a word of rebuke for the many racists in their midst.
August 31st, 2012 at 2:28 am
Your latest mythical strawman claim: “today’s Grand Prize winner for originality – one I’ve never heard before – goes to Slartibartfast, one of the racially obsessed legendary smear merchants of Obot World, with ‘the Constitution gives state level officials authority to withhold evidence on a federal level government servant from the the other 49 states and all the American voting citizens’.”
Sorry, but I don’t see anything posted here by Slarti that in any way resembles what you just claimed.
So, I can only assume that you’ve again become confused by the voices in your head…seek help for that.
August 31st, 2012 at 7:15 am
Aww, cut Twinky some slack. With the genetic material of 6,000 sailors, it’s easy to become confused…about lots of things.