How Birthers Can Debunk the OBOT’s “Airplane” Argument
Here is a practical lesson from a REAL LIVE Birther-OBOT Internet Argument. I am not telling who the OBOT is because it doesn’t matter. All the OBOTS say this same thing. Remember, the OBOTS share stuff between them.
BEGINNING OF ARGUMENT
ANONYMOUS OBOT: So what does their scenario look like? And what would travel to Kenya have been like, for a woman in her third trimester of pregnancy, in 1961? So how did they get there?
The Boeing 707 did not go into service until late 1959. When my half-sister flew to/from New York in 1964, half of the time it was on a prop plane. The 707 had not yet replaced all the fleets. So the trip, on a prop plane, would have looked like this:
Honolulu – San Francisco, change planes
San Francisco – Chicago, change planes
Chicago – New York, change planes
New York – London, change planes
London – Nairobi
That’s five days, plus layovers. The New York – London – Nairobi legs would have been on a BOAC Viscount 810, a prop plane with a top speed of 200 MPH.
How would they have paid for the trip? They were impecunious students. Ann’s father was a furniture salesman, and her mother was a bank teller. Here is what the trip would have cost:
In 1961, Honolulu – Nairobi RT airfare was £476. That’s £7,335, or $11, 025 in constant dollars – each person. Ann and Barack Sr. would have had to pay $22, 050 cash on the barrel head. Per capita income in 1959 in Hawaii was $1,863 or $13,872 in constant dollars. In other words, two tickets would have been a year’s salary from each of her parents.
SQUEEKY: That was interesting. First you put all the miles in Kilometers which why would do this??? Because there are more kilometers than there are miles. For example when I am going 60 miles per hour, I am going 100 Kilometers per hour. So first, you are cheating!!!
Then, you don’t know how much money anybody had or how they got to Africa. So you are just guessing it would have been 7 days and the rest. There were ways to get to Africa or they could not have made Tarzan movies.
But I am not going to fuss at you about that because you are using your Woman’s intuition, just like I am. I am “Guessing” Obama is from Kenya Africa because he sure is hiding a lot of stuff about his birth. Plus he acts like an anti-colonial Kenyan.
ANONYMOUS OBOT: You’re right. It should have been in inches and feet. The Tarzan franchise films before the mid-fifties were mostly black-and-white films shot on studio sets, with stock jungle footage edited in. The latter serial was unique for its period in that it was partially filmed on location in Guatemala. Sorry.
SQUEEKY: Anyway, I must still be sober because I had a REALLY, REALLY GOOD IDEA, I will show you in just a minute. First of all, lets take your airplane thing. You are guessing about the prices and it is a lot, but that doesn’t matter, I will show you why. First, here is where the money could have come from using a SQUEEKY guess:
In 1959, Obama Sr. received a scholarship in economics through a program organised by nationalist leader Tom Mboya. The program offered Western educational opportunities to outstanding Kenyan students. “Leaving behind his infant son, Roy, and his young wife, Kezia, who was pregnant with their daughter, Auma, he flew to America.”
According to an article by Michael Dobbs in The Washington Post, President Obama misspoke of his father’s scholarship on two occasions. In a speech in Selma, Alabama in March 2007, then-Senator Obama said, “The Kennedys decided: ‘We’re going to do an airlift. We’re going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is. This young man named Barack Obama [Sr.] got one of those tickets and came over to this country.’” However, Dobbs states that the Kennedy family did not become associated with the educational airlift until 1960, a year after Obama Sr. was studying in the United States. Initial financial supporters of the program included Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier, Jackie Robinson, and Elizabeth Mooney Kirk, a literacy advocate who provided most of the financial support for Obama Sr.’s early years in the United States, according to the Tom Mboya archives at Stanford University. “Some of the money provided by the Kennedys was used to pay off old debts and subsidize student stipends. … [Obama Sr.] and other members of the 1959 cohort benefited only indirectly from Kennedy family support.”
So, I think your amount was $1,500. I would double check but then I would have to do this in two posts or lose my stuff. Which is like $20,000 today. Let’s take your number.
BUT OH MY!!! Why would anybody want to spend that much money JUST FLYING a student back and forth because that is still a lot of money even for Sidney Poiter who was in the Heat of the Night, a good movie. And the other rich people like Harry Belafonte who did the song in Beetlejuice!!!
BUT, and here is where maybe sometimes drinking helps you think because I remember something I heard on TV about the tax rates in the 1960s. SO GUESS WHAT? In 1960 it was 91%! So if a rich person did have to pay a few hundred dollars, they would save 91% of it in taxes which means it would just cost NINE CENTS PER DOLLAR if they wrote it off their taxes, which you just know they did!
Soooo, that is the Squeeky guess of how it would have got done, which is only a guess, too, but I think it is a good one. What do you think?
END OF THE ARGUMENT
WHAT ALL THIS MEANS:
Here are the important points. OBOTS may have a good argument about some of their stuff. If you fight in the Court of Public Opinion, you have to be able to argue stuff back. Sooo, the OBOT argument made sense. How could Obama, Sr. Have afforded it? The first thing you have to do is realize this is just a GUESS, and doesn’t prove anything, but that also means YOU can make a GUESS, as long as it is not just totally stupid or anything. Because if you don’t say anything, the OBOTS kind of win by default.
I looked up Obama Sr. in wiki and found the scholarship stuff. Then it hit me! The news was talking 90% taxes in the 1960’s , so I double-checked the tax rate in 1961 and SLAMMM! it was 91%. Now it made sense. It would only have cost the scholarship people 9 cents on the dollar for them to fly, or even less. Now, I could make a good guess. There are two benefits or more.
ONE, the OBOTS lose an important GUESSING argument.
TWO, a birther doesn’t just look TOTALLY STUPID or anything.
THREE, it makes being born in Kenya look less impossible.
Remember, us Birthers can win arguments by logic, too.
NOTE: I don’t want to be unfair to the Stupid Obot, so this is something I thought of AFTER the argument and I didn’t want to do revisionist history stuff and just stick it in the argument above like I was even smarter that I was. BUT, I forgot about State income taxes. With a 91% Federal tax rate, and say even a 7% State tax rate, then a very rich person like the Kennedys, or Belafonte or Poitier, would have saved 98 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR by paying for the airfare. This would have made it even more practical and possible for Obama Sr. and Obama’s mother to fly to Kenya.