Pooperscooping The Vattel Birthers – No. 1 (The Floating “But”)

Vattle Birther's Scat

Introduction:

One of the things that is sooo frustrating about the Vattle Birthers (my funny name for the Emerich de Vattel CULT) is that it is difficult to distinguish between the flat out liars and the totally stupid ones. If you knew for sure they were intentionally lying, then they could be put into a Vattle Birther equivalent of the Obotski Hall of Shame.  The sheer degree of idiocy exhibited  in their theories prevents any rational discerning of which is which.  Therefore, the real screen name of the Vattle  Birther and link will be omitted.  

Pooperscooping the Vattle Birthers is a series dedicated to presenting actual Vattle Birther statements of Dogma (pun intended),  or intentional misrepresentations (who can tell the difference???)  in all its rancid glory.  Odds are, if you ever engage a Vattle Birther, you will encounter some variation of this argument.

The Floating But

The Sane Proposition: The law says that a person born in U.S. territory of parents who are not “under foreign jurisdiction” (not diplomats, foreign military at war with the U.S., etc.) are citizens by birth, and the law does not distinguish between “citizen by birth” and “natural-born”.

The Vattle Birther Response:

The Supreme Court makes the distinction. It says one term is defined by the Constitution while the other is defined OUTSIDE of the Constitution:

NBC: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.”

Citizenship by birth: “But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution.”

NBC, the court said is being born in the country to parents who were its citizens. Citizenship by birth is defined by the birth clause of the 14th amendment: Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof … with the latter half being defined as having parents who have domicil and permanent residence, such as had Wong Kim Ark:

The Squeeky Smackdown:

You are NOT being sincere!!! Here is what you said:

” NBC: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.”

Citizenship by birth: “But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution.”
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By putting the “But” where you did you made it read the way you wanted, like NBC was one thing and “citizenship by birth” was another. BUT, here is the actual COMPLETE quotation:

As stated by the Court in the historic decision United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702,

Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution.

Sooo, now it is clear that the second part, citizenship by birth is being contrasted with NATURALIZATION, not with NATURAL BORN CITIZEN like you tried to get away with!!!

Because I googled your words and it sent me here which made it clear what you were trying to do:

Perez v. Brownell

I guess I am going to have to google it every time you quote something.

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Later on, after this Internet Debate ended, I had a chance to go look for the two sentences that were wrongly and misleadingly combined. The first sentence came from the top of page 655 of Wong Kim Ark, and the second sentence came from the bottom of page 702. The  first sentence was part of paragraph stating that the meaning of the term natural born citizen would have to be determined by going to the common law.  The second sentence was, as stated above, contrasting natural born citizenship as being in the constitution and naturalization being controlled by legislation. Somewhere in those 47 intervening pages, the Court said the common law and the constitution were saying the same thing, not opposite things as implied by the Vattle Birther.

For shame, Vattle Birther, for shame!!!

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

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Hi!!! I am a Girl Reporter on the Internet. I am 31. Plus I am a INTP. I have a Major in Human Kinetics, and a Minor in English. I have 2 cats, and a new kitten! I write poetry, and plus I am trying to learn how to play guitar. I think that is all??? Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter View all posts by Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

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