Justiagate: The Mother of All Wild Goose Chases

The Girl Reporter Caught The Wild Goose and Took It For A Spin

Well Leo Donofrio, aka the Parakeet, I mean the Paraclete as he calls himself,  is flogging the Justiagate non-issue for all it is worth. Or actually, for all it isn’t worth.  According  to the Paraclete, (Which is not a pair of athletic shoes as I first thought.) Justia, the online legal research website, scrubbed and scrambled the links to the 1875 Minor v. Happersett case in an attempt to keep voters from finding out that a natural born citizen required two citizen parents.  This is nothing but a wild goose chase of the highest order.

While Donofrio and crew are whooping it up about the scrubbing, and displaying the nail wounds in their hands and feet to all who will listen, the simple truth  is that the Minor v. Happersett case NEVER defined natural born citizenship. In fact, the judges in that case openly stated there was no need to resolve that issue. Sooo, there would be no need to scrub this case,  and Justiagate is just “much ado about nothing.”  But, that is why the two citizen parent Birthers are  throwing fits about some minor programming glitches . . . to draw attention away  from the fact that their case is toothless. They send people on a  wild goose chase,  so that nobody will notice their case is a legal turkey and can’t get far off the ground.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/justiagate-ceo-tim-stanley-admits-publishing-mangled-supreme-court-opinions-the-oyez-connection-scotus-response/

Sooo, as an alternative method to address this Mother of All Wild Goose Chases, I have written a Mother Goose poem!

The Wild Mother Goose Chase
by Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter
aka Little Miss Scuffit

Hey Diddle, Diddle
Did Justia fiddle
The Minor v. Happersett links?

Wild goose in the corn-
Did they rule “natural born?”
(Or just leave it open, methinks?)

Sooo, Little Miss Scuffet
Sat on her tuffet
Perusing the web for the case.

Aha!, hear her shouts,
They clearly said “doubts.
The Birthers have egg on their face!

Rub a dub dub
Alleging a scrub
The Paraclete’s charges fall flat.

For, “Aye, there’s the rub!”
The case was a flub,
The judges, they never ruled that.

Rub a drub drub
She sank that old tub,
The Birthers should not have set sail.

Adrift on the sea
As wet as can be,
Their journey was an Epic Fail!

Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
aka Little Miss Scuffit

Note 1:  Here are the seven simple sentences from Minor v. Happersett which cause so much confusion to the two citizen parent Birthers:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

Note 2:  Credits for the Artwork:

The Fiddling Cat Image can be found here, by Marty at Deviant Art:

http://marty-iceangel.deviantart.com/art/Hey-Diddle-Diddle-124879661

The Little Miss Muffet Image can be found here, by Al Rio at comic vine:

http://www.comicvine.com/al-rio/26-13289/all-images/108-71740/grimm_fairy_tales_16_little_miss_muffet/105-451511/

Note 3:  The Little Rascals movie poster is very appropriate for the two-citizen parent Birthers. Wiki says that by 1840, the rhyme had become:

Rub a dub dub,
Three men in a tub,
And who do you think they be?
The butcher, the baker,
The candlestick maker.
Turn them out, knaves all three.

Note 4: The Mother of All. . .The free dictionary says the idiom, “the mother of all something”  means  “an extreme example of something.”

Note 5: Little Miss Scuffett. An alternative meaning of “scuff” is to brush off; wipe off; or kick.

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22 responses to “Justiagate: The Mother of All Wild Goose Chases

  • David Farrar

    Note 1: Here are the seven (7) simple sentences from Minor v. Happersett which cause so much confusion to the two citizen parent Birthers:

    1. The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens.

    2. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.

    3. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.

    4. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

    5. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.

    6. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

    7. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

    Let’s go over each one to see if we agree or disagree as to its meaning.

    1. The Minor court is telling us the Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens.

    2. The Minor court is telling us since the Constitution does not say who shall be natural-born citizens, it falls on the Minor Court to do so.

    3. Self-explanatory: Article ll natural born Citizens, are citizens.

    4. But the Minor court goes further by stating that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens are natives, or natural-born citizens</strong., as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

    5. The Minor court further observes that some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to jus sanguinis citizenship.

    6. The Minor court observes : "As to this class ( children born within the jurisdiction without reference to jus sanguinis citizenship) there have been doubts, but never as to the first (natives, or natural-born citizens)

    7. . Lastly, the Minor courts concludes: For the purposes of this case (Minor v. Happersett) it is not necessary to solve these doubts — since establishing a predicate for citizenship was the court's objective in the case.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

  • bob

    Why was President Arthur never challenged on this basis?

    • Sally Hill

      Bob, he wasn’t challenged because of several lies he told. For a period of time, he used his deceased brother’s birth certificate for an alternative birth date….and to this date, his real birth date is still in question due to his many lies.

      Additionally, he wasn’t challenged because, just as is the case with Obama, the people who were challenging him were doing so on the place of his birth (Canada) rather than his citizenship. He lead people to believe he was born in Canada, when he was really born in the US. However, his father had not naturalized prior to his birth; therefore he, like Obama, was born a dual citizen and was ineligible to be POTUS.

      • bob

        Thanks for not answering the question.

        Hinman knew President Arthur lacked two citizen parents, but Hinman never challenged President Arthur on this basis. Why is that?

      • Sally Hill

        Bob, I can’t answer that – just as you can’t answer the questions as to why Arthur used his deceased brother’s birth certificate and lied about his age.

        It would seem there are lots of questions with few answers….sounds familiar doesn’t it? Almost like Obama took a page right from Arthur’s diary.

      • bob

        Thank you for conceding that Hinmen was aware of President Arthur’s lack of two citizen parents, yet Hinmen did not rely upon this point (or Minor) in challenging President Arthur.

        As our hostess here has demonstrated elsewhere on her site, there is a notable absence of references by scholars to Minor regarding natural-born citizenship. How did all these scholars miss Minor‘s holding? Why has no court ever cited Minor for the proposition that natural-born citizenship requires two citizen parents and birth in the United States?

        As for the similarities between President Obama and President Arthur: You’ll have to explain yourself better, as President Obama doesn’t have a brother (dead or alive), never used any relative’s birth certificate, and never lied about his age.

  • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

    Bob:

    Not only was Chester Arthur NOT challenged for having a non-citizen parent, Judge Waite, who wrote the Minor v. Happersett decision, swore him into the Presidency 6 years later.

    The people who believe the Minor Happersett stuff live in an alternate universe, where all the stuff that happened or didn’t happen in our universe after Minor v. Happersett iis different than their universe.

    For example, all the textbooks in the MH Alternate universe say that it takes two citizen parents ot be president, unlike the textbooks in our universe which just say being born here is enough.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    • Sally Hill

      I’d dearly love to know when and why you changed your mind on the Obama eligibility issue.

      So are you saying MH didn’t happen? That it is not a real SCOTUS case?

      It sounds like you are protesting a bit much in both universes that you seem to think exist.

      You don’t think it could be as simple an explanation as different interpretations of the SCOTUS decision?

      When you go a bit overboard in trying to paint those that have a different opinion than yourself as living in an alternative universe, you come off looking a bit like you are the one wearing the tin foil hat.

      • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

        I never changed my mind on the two citizen parent stuff. I always thought that stuff was wrong. Well over a year ago.

        As far as a alternate universe, I am working a whole Internet Article about that. There isn’t any debate on what the case means because the language is very clear. The court did not address the doubts about the children of aliens and no amount of interpretation or volume of words can change that.

        You don’t see me calling the remaining die hard Common Sense Suspicious Birthers names, or teasing them, even though I am no longer one of them. Because when you have a layer that looks like a White Out advertisement, how can you blame somebody for being suspicious.

        But the two citizen parent stuff is different. It is a legal question and the cases are very clear, that it does not take two citizen parents.

        Sooo, that is why I am the two citizen parent birther’s worst nightmare. To believe that stuff is just wrong, and requires conspiracy theory thinking. Sooo, I tease the Vattle Birthers in a way that really makes them have to think about this stuff.

        I hope I am converting some of them back to Reality. And maybe keeping some from going down that crazy road in the first place.

        Plus, I think some of the Vattle Birthers are really Obots trying to make Birthers look crazy with this stuff and keep Rubio and Jindal from running.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

      • Sally Hill

        “I never changed my mind on the two citizen parent stuff. I always thought that stuff was wrong.”
        “Well over a year ago.”
        You’ve confused me – you never changed you rmind, but you changed it over a year ago? So what exactly did you change your mind about? Surely you were not one of those thinking he wasn’t born in Hawaii!

        “As far as a alternate universe, I am working a whole Internet Article about that.” LOL – okay

        “There isn’t any debate on what the case means because the language is very clear.” – you should add, IN MY OPINION, because that’s exactly what it is, nothing more.

        “You don’t see me calling the remaining die hard Common Sense Suspicious Birthers names, or teasing them, even though I am no longer one of them.”
        Because you never changed your mind, except over a year ago – yeah, I got that part. I will have to give you the fact that you don’t call people names….sort of unusual for Obama followers and believers, but it is nice that you have character and standards in that regard. You don’t fit well in over at Dr. Conspiracy since you don’t subscribe to that mantra.

        “Because when you have a layer that looks like a White Out advertisement, how can you blame somebody for being suspicious.”
        No clue what you mean….White Out advertisement?

        “But the two citizen parent stuff is different. It is a legal question and the cases are very clear, that it does not take two citizen parents.”….again, IN YOUR OPINION.

        “Sooo, that is why I am the two citizen parent birther’s worst nightmare.” Stand up comedian too, huh? I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

        “To believe that stuff is just wrong, and requires conspiracy theory thinking. Sooo, I tease the Vattle Birthers in a way that really makes them have to think about this stuff.” Your naive at best. People believe the way the do by this point and it’s pretty solidly cemented in place. If you feel better thinking you get people to ‘think about this stuff’ then more power to you. I’m so glad you don’t call people names…(i.e. conspiracy theory thinkers) and that treat them with respect…(i.e. don’t tease them).

        “I hope I am converting some of them back to Reality. And maybe keeping some from going down that crazy road in the first place.” Are you referring to the road you never went down, except for over a year ago? And who is the judge and jury on what Reality is? If my reality is different from yours, I’m wrong and you are right – because why exactly? Who determines who’s reality is THE correct reality? Tolerant much? I thought leftist were all about tolerance – ohhh, yeah, that’s only if you agree with them.

        “Plus, I think some of the Vattle Birthers are really Obots trying to make Birthers look crazy with this stuff and keep Rubio and Jindal from running.”
        So you think the Vattel Birthers are preventing Jindal and Rubio from running? How exactly are they doing that? Interesting concept though – I wonder if they can use their theorist magic and keep Obama off the ballot in 2012 as well?

        Took me awhile to connect you to the ‘girl reporter’ that I first started reading comments from over at Dr. C’s blog. You fought a pretty good fight over there – playing the whole dumb blonde guitar key subtrafuge tactic. They can certain be a mean and cruel bunch over there. They love agreeing with each other over there. No real substantive debates, only mockery of those that dare to disagree and then patting each other on the back for chasing them away from the blog.

        I don’t get bogged down in the different levels and angles of birther beliefs, so I’m not sure what angle you were using, but I do remember you definitely did not start out as an Obama follower/believer.

        I’ve read the applicable case decisions and IN MY OPINION, case law says it takes two US Citizen parents born on US soil to make a NBC. Nightmares or not, I’m not changing my mind on that unless and until SCOTUS overturns MvH and issues a specific ruling on POTUS eligibility. MY INTERPRETATION of the words contained within that decision state that he is not eligible, IN MY OPINION. That’s my reality – apparently yours is quite different, and while we understand that you believe the rest of us are crazy conspiracy theorists living in some alternative universe – the same could be thought of you as well – especially with this alternative universe diatribe.

        I don’t consider myself a birther, a racist (although who really knows that that means anymore), or a conspiracy theorist. Besides the case law I have read, I have applied common sense and practical experience to my belief regarding NBC. I feel that Obama’s dual citizenship has affected his foreign policy decisions – something the founding fathers wanted to try and guard against. And as much as Obama thinks we are a Muslim nation, this Nation was founded on Christian principals and ideals for a reason. For as much as Obama professes to be a Christian, his actions speak much louder than his words in contradicting that profession. Like his citizenship issues, I believe religious issues have affected his foreign policy decisions as well – which will negatively affect the US for years to come – IN MY OPINION..

        I do not believe the world respects him as a world leader, and I believe he has been a huge disappointment to many people around this globe, including me.

        P.S. It’s Vattel, not Vattle. Or perhaps there is a whole other movement out there I’m not aware of?!?!?

  • David Farrar

    Concerns about Arthur’s Presidential eligibility

    Editor’s note: Due to newly found sources on the issue this paragraph will be substantially rewritten soon.

    “During Chester Arthur’s Vice-Presidential campaign alongside James A. Garfield, Arthur P. Hinman, an attorney who had apparently been hired by the members of the Democratic party, explored the “rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency.”[1] When Hinman’s initial claim of a birth in Ireland failed to gain traction, he maintained instead that Arthur was born in Canada and lobbied the press for support while searching for Arthur’s birth records, eventually in vain. After Arthur had become President due to Garfield’s assassination, Hinman published a pamphlet aimed to cast doubt on Arthur’s presidential eligibility.”

    Read more at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

    • bob

      1. President Arther’s qualifications were NEVER doubted on the basis of his lack of two citizen parents.

      2. citizendium.org? Who? Why is it an authority?

      • David Farrar

        Bob,

        1. The record reflects that Chester Arthur’s father wasn’t a US citizen at the time of his birth, making him the only US president, besides Barack Obama, and possibly Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, who did not meet the Minor court legal precedent of two citizen parents.

        2. You can’t get more authentic than the truth, bob. Uncontested testimony is as close to the truth as you and I will ever get.

        ex animo
        davidfarrar

      • bob

        1. And President Arthur’s eligibility wasn’t NEVER challenged on the basis of lack of two-citizen parents. If Minor did somehow set this precedent, why was President Arthur NEVER challenged about this, despite Minor having been decided a few short years before?

        2. That article isn’t “the truth.” It is mostly just the speculation of some anonymous nonexpert on an obscure site.

      • Sally Hill

        David,

        Mitt’s father was a US citizen. While he was born in Mexico, both his parents were US Citizens and therefore, while he was not a NBC, he was a US citizen, and therefore Mitt himself is a NBC.

      • Sally Hill

        Bob,

        Arthur was NEVER challenged on his lack of two-citizen parents, because he LIED. He lied about his DOB and he lied about when his father naturalized. People cannot challenge him on facts they do not have and have been purposefully withheld.

      • bob

        President Arthur’s lack of two citizen parents was well known: Hinman wrote about it in his book. Yet Hinman never challenged President Arthur on this basis. Why is that?

  • David Farrar

    What’s this:

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation?”

    Are you crying “uncle” now and given up you defense of birthright citizenship and the two-citizen rule for a natural born Citizen?

    ex animo
    davidfarrar
    *Print/Screen

    • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

      David Farrar:

      I do not know what happened. I did not change anything on you. Maybe it is the link you put in that triggered something with wordpress??? I do not moderate comments except for spam, and the first time somebody posts. After that, the software lets people in.

      I am sorry that it did that to you. I am not afraid of debates or free speech, either one.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

    • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

      David Farrar:

      I DID NOT put you into moderation. I think maybe the wordpress software did because of the link is all I can figure out. I do not moderate people except for spam and the first time they post, which the software does. i am sorry that happened to you.

      Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter

  • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

    Sally Hill @ 11/14/2011 above:

    First, thank you for your long and thoughtful comment. I don’t understand your confusion over ME as a Birther. I was somebody who thought something was fishy about Obama not coughing up his long form for three years even when polls showed like 58% of the country had some degree of doubt about where he was born. Up until May 2011, the Internet Articles here are about that with but one exception, that one being the “Vattle Birthers Shoud Just STFU!!!” which I originally wrote back in like September 2010(?) on another blog of mine. I was NEVER a two citizen-parent Birther.

    After May of 2011, when the screwy long form image was coughed up, I wrote post-Birtherism Internet Articles, and then from September 2011 forward most of what I have written is anti-two citizen-parent Birther stuff, and the occasional post-Birtherism thing. As far as the “White Out” commercial, see this post-Birtherism piece of October 17, 2011, for the image:

    https://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/2012-the-year-of-the-birther-a-white-paper/

    Finally, you are entitled to your OPINION of Minor v. Happersett. But,if you are expecting it to win in court, it won’t. That is because everybody in the Universe, except Vattle Birthers, reads it the other way, While numbers do not always make right, when it comes to the meaning of a couple of sentences in plain English, it ought to make you stop and ask yourself, “Gee, am I just really way far wrong on this???”

    Which question you will probably answer “Yes” to, if you read the words without pre-conceived notions.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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