Just Imagine – Before 2008, Congress Tried To Change The Eligibility Law 8 Times!!!

Top Secret Photos Of Congressional Committee On Citizenship Transmutation Attempting To Convert Swedish-Born Volunteer Osmo Snork Directly Into A Natural Born Citizen

I keep running into the idiotic Birther rumor that prior to Obama running for the presidency, Congress tried to change the law on eligibility X number of times, usually “8”. The apparent source of this is one, Rev. Carl Gallups, who got a write up in (where else, but) World Net Daily.  In July 2011, you find these excerpts:

1.   June 11, 2003, Rep. Vic Snyder, D-Ark., brought HJR 59. It was intended to “permit persons who are not natural born citizens of the United States, but who have been citizens of the United States for at least 35 years, to be eligible to hold the offices of president and vice president.

2.  Sept. 3, 2003, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., brought HJR67, which would have done the same as Snyder’s, only the requirement to be a citizen was lowered to 20 years.

3.  Feb. 25, 2004, Sen. Don Nickles, R-Okla., brought S.B. 2128 to “try to counter the growing Democrat onslaught aimed at removing the natural born citizen requirement.” But it defined NBC as someone who was born in and is subject to the United States,” which was not the understanding of the framers of the Constitution.

4.  Sept. 15, 2004, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., brought HJR 104, “to make eligible for the office of president a person who is not a natural born citizen of the United States but has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years.”

5.  Jan. 4, 2005, Conyers, D-Mich., HJR2, the same as Rohrabacher’s.

6.  Feb. 1, 2005HJR15, Rohrabacher, to require only 20 years citizenship to be eligible for the office of president.

7. April 14, 2005, Snyder, HJR42, requiring 35 years’ citizenship.

8.  Feb. 28, 2008, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., tried to attach to SB 2678, Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act, an amendment clarifying what “natural-born citizen” includes. Obama and then-Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., were sponsors.SB 2678, Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act, an amendment clarifying what “natural-born citizen” includes. Obama and then-Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., were sponsors.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/317705/

What is really galling is that all these  attempts had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Obama.  As usual, WND knows its readers, and while the truth is buried in the article, that these were mostly attempts to permit naturalized citizens to run for the office, there is enough hype and subterfuge to make sure that a far different  message gets through to the WND half-wit audience. That message started with:

There were eight attempts by members of Congress during the years Barack Obama was developing a power base and running for president to remove the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural-born citizen,” suggesting an organized strategy. . .

and includes, along with other lying smears and half-truths, some input from The Idiot Known As JB Williams:

JB Williams, on The Patriot News, also examined the circumstances of the proposals in Congress, and carried the sequence a step further.

“As a result, the DNC was forced to remove the ‘constitutionally eligible’ language from the 2008 DNC certification of the Obama-Biden ticket, omitting from the certification the following language – ‘and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.’

Of course what WND kinda doesn’t come right out and say is that Obama was NOT a naturalized citizen, so these proposed changes had nothing to do with him. Plus, notice how on attempt No. 3, which is from a Republican, and which confirms that persons born in the United States are natural born citizens, WND has this to say:

But it defined NBC as someone who was born in and is subject to the United States,” which was not the understanding of the framers of the Constitution.

That is not just completely false, but also a typical WND misrepresentation. Remember this article was written in July 2011, about a year and a half AFTER the Ankeny decision in Indiana which confirmed just the opposite, that:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

After a year and a half, even if WND did not agree with that decision, it would have been more honest of them to admit that court, and others, didn’t see it the same way. Of course the article has a picture of Obama with the Kenyan prime minister.  And, a youtube video which goes over the same information in a dramatic and scary fashion. I have seen numerous videos, and Internet Articles which repeat this same bunch of crap. One, if I remember correctly, listed 11 attempts.

This mess resurfaces in Birfer Land periodically, and today, while reading at Obama Conspiracy Theories, there was a Birther named Jee who said:

Jee March 25, 2012 at 4:52 am

Since when was it accepted that anyone born in USA, even to alien parents, is considered natural born citizen? You would think the forefathers made the clause to prevent the slightest possibility of a foreign influence over the highest office in the United States.

This logic, would literally allow the possibility of say, Adolf Hitler could of had relations with a American woman who moved back to America, having undercover SS protection. Educate the young man and if he had enough money to pay for ads and votes, he could become President of the United States, Does anyone seriously like the fact of the possibility? Replace Hitler with Napoleon since he was around during our fore fathers. Geez.

You know, before the 2008 election there was 8 attempts to change the ” natural born citizen” wording for the clause.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/corsi-cold-case-posse-ins-search-looking-pretty-stupid-about-now/

Jee signed off as Confused American.  No big surprise there if Jee is getting the news from World Net Daily.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. The Image. This is from the 1930 film, Just Imagine. I found out this about it:

Just Imagine was produced in 1930 as a musical American response to Fritz Lang’s Metropolis. It depicts the fantastic future of1980 as seen through the eyes of a man called Single O who has spent fifty years in suspended animation after being hit on the head by a golf ball. It also features a boy called J-21 who loves a girl, LN-18, and a rocket trip to Mars.

at this very informative website:

http://www.sadiethepilot.com/kellie/beauc.htm

Note 2. The Easter EggVladimir Illych Lenin was reported to have said, “You know, I could travel with the passport of a dumb Swede “.

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31 responses to “Just Imagine – Before 2008, Congress Tried To Change The Eligibility Law 8 Times!!!

  • Monkey Boy

    It should be noted that around 2004, Republicans were wetting their undies over the possibilities of foisting another semi-celebrity, dim-witted movie actor on the US as President–except this dimwit was born in Austria. Hence, some method would have to be found to allow him to circumvent the NBC requirement. Their ardor cooled after it became apparent that he could never attract Pentacostals and Fundies, a necessary component of the Repug constituency.

    As for John Conyers, it is apparent that his efforts were meant to benefit Jennifer Granholm, a popular Michigan politician who was born in Canada.

    As for the McCaskill effort, only a sub-normal freeper or birther could construe this as anything to do with Obama.

  • Monkey Boy

    Sen. Don Nickles, R-Okla., brought S.B. 2128 to “try to counter the growing Democrat onslaught aimed at removing the natural born citizen requirement.” But it defined NBC as someone who was born in and is subject to the United States,” which was not the understanding of the framers of the Constitution.

    Again, birfer scoundrels have no shame in spouting lies that are instantly debunkable. At that time, only TWO bills had been introduced–one by a Democrat (in behalf of Jennifer Granholm), and one by a Republican (probably, for the benefit of Schwarzenegger). Hardly an “onslaught”, and definitely not partisan Democratic .

  • Dave B.

    This may be the last chance I get to try to start the rumor I tried to start so long ago, and in which I failed miserably. With your indulgence, I’d like to apply the concept of allowing naturalized citizens to become President as a means of supplying context for this rumor. The rumor is of course purely a figment of my imagination, but I thought it’d be fun to see what happened with it:
    When the whole mess over Elián González was going on, one thing that had to be determined before returning him to Cuba was whether or not Juan Miguel González was in fact the boy’s father. So DNA testing was conducted, and to everyone’s surprise, there was not a DNA match. Comparison against available DNA data came up with a shocking result: a 100% match with…Fidel Castro. Not a match that indicated paternity, but an identical match. Young Elián González was the clone of Fidel Castro, planted in the U.S. as a young refugee with a sympathetic story, to be groomed for political success, and with the relaxed standards for Presidential eligibility, eventual rise to the Presidency. He was returned to Cuba, with an admonition to Castro to not attempt such foolishness again.
    Makes more sense than the birthers’ Kenyan theory, at least.
    I’m willing to bet, though, that a birther would try to attach this little fantasy to those “Congress Tried To Change The Eligibility Law 8 Times” stories.

  • Thomas Davis

    Nichols added an interesting clause.

    “(B) who is adopted by 18 years of age by a United States citizen parent or parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship to a biological child pursuant to an Act of Congress.”

    That could allow a foreign raised and trained child to become an NBC through arranging an adoption prior to their 18’th birthday and then later having the child become President.

  • Monkey Boy

    That could allow a foreign raised and trained child to become an NBC through arranging an adoption prior to their 18′th birthday and then later having the child become President.

    Merely, because someone is eligible (could) to become President, doesn’t mean that that person will. I am a dumb-ass high school dropout, but still eligible for the Presidency, but, what are my chances?

  • Mitchina

    The Definition can also be clearly found in the written opinion of the United States Supreme Court in the case of Minor vs Happersett from 1875. That opinion, which by the way is backed up by several other Supreme Court opinions, states that for one to be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ both of one’s parents must be U.S. Citizens at the time of birth.

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/minor-v-happersett-is-binding-precedent-as-to-the-constitutional-definition-of-a-natural-born-citizen/

    This explains the MAGNIFICENT efforts made by Justia.com, an influential legal research website privately owned and making case law available to the public for free. This fact alone tells me Obama is NOT ELIGIBLE as this company corrupted at least 25 Supreme Court cases by erasing references to the words “Minor V. Happersett” along with references to other relevant cases on the issue along with the insertion of misleading numerical citations. And In two documented cases actual text was removed.

    http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2011/10/justiagate-fraudulent-scrubbing-of.html

    • Dave B.

      Now there’s a blast from the past. Did you just get here, or what? Anybody who believes that nonsense doesn’t need any convincing anyway. Yay for Squeeky!

  • Mitchina

    Although I agree that these could not have ALL been about Obama, as much as he thinks everything is, the last one was. It says, “tried to attach to SB 2678” – and it does not give you all the specifics of it. You know ANYTHING gvt does is no less than a dozen trees worth of paper. And since the vast majority of these efforts were made by liberal democrats who in general live socialism – and there does exist RINOs that love the same, I would lean toward believing the Alinsky book was being followed for ANYONE to help them turn this country into an entitlement loving nanny nation.

  • Jimmy

    How many attempts to change citizenship law has there been since 2008?

    • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

      Hi Jimmy!!!

      I don’t know. Would that have anything to do with my arguments above??? If so, please let me know how.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      • Jimmy

        Just one more coinky dinky squeeky. That makes about three dozen now we have to overlook for the ‘regular guy’ and ‘citizen of the world’.
        No big deal. I thought perhaps your nefarious file would include the answer to this.

        • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

          Jimmy:

          That is not a bad argument, but it really doesn’t prove anything. You have to look at the individual “coinky dinkys” to figure out how many of them are really strange, and how many are just invented and/or implied against Obama.

          For example, in the above example – – – how many of those eight attempts had anything to do with Obama??? None. So how can NOT making attempts be imputed against Obama???

          As far as I can tell, there is one piece of substantial info which doesn’t have a political aspect and works against Obama’s Hawaiian birth – the book bio.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          • Jimmy

            I don’t think the whole truth of Barry’s origin is proven yet therefore one can not know what pertains to Barry or not. I see your point. Got it. Thanks for your coinsideration. I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue this tangent to the topic.

        • G

          Of course you neither have the “time nor inclination to continue this tangent to the topic”, Jimmy.

          That is because your entire premise was based on poorly thought out nonsense. Face it, you are simply struggling to grasp at straws to justify whatever innate irrational dislike for the President you happen to harbor.

          But those straws are all just bogus sham excuses and they all fall apart, upon the slightest serious examination.

          • Jimmy

            Big G, as long as you are spouting opinions about my motives for honest inquiry into this intrigue in presidential history, do you believe BO is hiding anything?
            Squeaky was giving her opinion that no attempt ever had anything to do with BO.
            You see, G, I could say that you are grasping at straws and ridiculing inquiry in order to cover up and distract. But I don’t know that.

        • G

          No, I have no reason to believe that BO is hiding anything of any relevance whatsoever at all. There is simply no credible evidence to lead to such a conclusion.

          As I am not the one positing crazy conspiracy nonsense, there are no straws that I need to reach for at all. The burden of proof remains on the accuser and after 4 years of angry rants, all you folks have are a lot of whiny tantrums and nothing to show for it.

          Cause and effect is a simple concept to grasp. Childish fools like you shoot your mouths off with ill-informed nonsense and I respond by merely pointing out the hollow fallacy of your remarks. There is nothing for me to “cover up and distract” from, as you’ve offered nothing of merit to begin with. You get mocked for your ignorance simply because you introduced it into the conversation in the first place. That is all. Learn to take responsibility for your own internal inadequacies. Simple as that.

    • Northland10

      According to thomas.loc.gov, not including the various Dream act inspired legislation, I count about 5 Birthright Citizenship bills and constitutional amendments proposed in the last 2 Congresses. This has been the normal amount for the last 15-20 years. The thing is, all of these changes would limit citizenship by birth to those with one citizen parent, or mother is the citizen (either way, makes the President a citizen).

      Prior to 2008, there were some others that tried to remove the NBC requirement but those went away when the excitement of the California Governator subsided.

  • Jimmy

    A Place to get the really right answers about NBC?
    More like a place to get beat up for asking questions.
    The one with the single allegiance just made a 180 degree turn on what to say about the attacks on US embassies.

  • Jimmy

    Another presidential first.

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