Canny McPhee Hangs Birthers Out To Dry!!!

After Doing The Innuendo Song And Dance, The Birther Was Tossed Into The Dirty Laundry Pile Where Nature Took Its Course

Well, it looks like more and more judges are getting fed up with the Birther pseudo-legal crap. Washington State Birther Linda Jordan went through the wash and rinse cycle in record time.  She filed the challenge on Monday, August 27, 2012, and she was dismissed WITH PREJUDICE on Wednesday August 30, 2012.

Once again, The Fogbow and Jack Ryan are there first with a copy of the decision:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/104349709/WA-2012-08-29-JvSoS-Reed-Court-Opinion-and-Decision

Here is a pdf in case you have trouble using scribd:

Washington State Birther Spanking Order

Judge Wm. Thomas McPhee went out of his way to castigate not just Ms. Jordan, but the whole Birther movement. Here are some excerpts which deal specifically with the Birther issue.  I wrote them out this way so they are copy and pastable. I have bolded and paragraphed them a little to make it easier to read:

The birther movement has been a subplot on the fringe of the political spectrum in the U.S. for about five years. Recent history is not the first time it has been raised. In 1880 Chester Arthur, the son of a father of Irish citizenship and a mother of U.S. citizenship, was rumored to have been born not in Vermont where all credible evidence established his birthplace, but in Canada. This unfounded rumor did not receive niuch traction, perhaps because the internet had not been as fully developed then as it is now.

In the past five years all manner of court action has sought to entice courts to enter into the process of determining the qualifications of two persons who were nominated for president in 2008, and one who has served; a process reserved in the U.S. Constitution to the congress, not the courts.

The vast majority of these cases however involved President Obama. The first wave occurred during the presidential campaign of 2008, and involved issues similar or identical to those raised in this case. Plaintiff Linda Jordan cannot be unaware of those cases. None were successful. Most were dismissed on standing grounds; a question not directly at issue in this case because plaintiff purports to bring this case under RCW 29A.68.011, subparts 1 and 3, which confers standing on any elector. But others, including Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N .E.2d (2009) addressed the merits.

I began this explanation of my decision with some history of the birther movement, and I conclude with some more history. Even after the election of 2008, so-called birther lawsuits continued. A lawyer, self styled as the leader of the birther movement, filed a series of lawsuits on behalf of service members seeking to avoid deployment to war zones on the grounds that President Obama did not legitimately hold that office. Some federal courts eventually forbade him from filing any additional lawsuits.

One such case, Rhodes v. MacDonald, 2009 WL 2997605 (M.D. Ga. 2009), contained a passage that particularly resonated in light of the type of evidence plaintiff offers in this case. The federal district court wrote, in relevant part at paragraph 3:

[Plaintiff] has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as President of the United States . . .. Then, implying that the President is either a wandering nomad or a prolific identity fraud crook, she alleges that the President “might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 social security numbers prior to assuming the office of President.

Acknowledging the existence of a document that shows the President was born in Hawaii,  Plaintiff alleges that the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed fraudulent.” .. . Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his “natural born” status.

Thus, Plaintiffs counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.

In her Memorandum, plaintiff Jordan seems to anticipate that the Secretary of State would seek dismissal under CR 12(b)(6), and argues that she has presented substantial evidence that President Obama’s birth certificate is forged. She quotes the standard for substantial evidence. “Substantial evidence exists where there is a sufficient quantity of evidence in the record to persuade a fair-minded, rational person of the truth of the finding.”

She offers as evidence the musings of the infamous Arizona sheriff Joe Arpiao, supported by the report by a part-time computer programmer last employed in May 2007, who examined a copy of the pdf image of President Obama’s birth certificate and concluded that the original was forged.

She offers the affidavit of a private investigator who opines that President Obama is fraudulently using the social security number of another person who was born in 1890 and was issued the social security number in 1977. The investigator is not able to identify the person  and does not offer any insight as to why this hypothetical person waited until he or she was 87 years old before applying for and receiving a social security number. The rest of plaintiffs evidence is the standard fare of the blogosphere that has been floating around since 2008.

In light of this evidence, I close with an additional passage from Rhodes v McDonald, cited above. On the issue of evidence~ the court wrote at paragraph 4:

Although the Court has determined that the appropriate analysis here involves principles of abstention and not an examination of whether Plaintiffs complaint fails to state a claim under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)( 6), the Court does find the Rule 12(b)( 6) analysis helpful in confirming the Court’s conclusion that Plaintiffs claim has no merit. To state a claim upon which relief may be granted, Plaintiff must allege sufficient facts to state a claim to relief that is “plausible on its face.” For a complaint to be facially plausible, the Court must be able “to draw the reasonable inference that the defendant is liable for the misconduct alleged” based upon a review of the factual content pled by the Plaintiff. The factual allegations must be sufficient “to raise a right to relief above the speculative level.”

Plaintiffs complaint is not plausible on its face . . .. Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so. 

I do not usually devote so much time quoting the decisions of other courts in other cases. I do so here to make the point that just as all the so-called evidence offered by plaintiff has been in the blogosphere for years, in one form or another, so too has all the law rejecting plaintiff’s allegations. I can conceive of no reason why this lawsuit was brought, except to join the chorus of noise in that blogosphere. The case is dismissed.

Plaintiff Jordan, and the other Birthers who are filing this crap in the courts should be ashamed of themselves. But they won’t be.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. The Title and Captions. For ESL’s,  Canny McPhee is a word play based on film’s Nanny McPhee, who constantly is one step ahead of bratty little children. Which ties in with the image. Canny means, having or showing shrewdness and good judgment.

The Innuendo Song and Dance is from the song, Dirty Laundry by Don Henley:

We can do “The Innuendo”
We can dance and sing
When it’s said and done we haven’t told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry!

The idiom “hang out to dry” means:

1. to not support or help someone;

2. to defeat or punish someone;

3. to get someone into trouble, especially by making them take the blame for a bad situation.

Note 2. Here is a link to the onset of Jordan’s legal action as reported at ObamaReleaseYourRecords:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/08/linda-jordan-files-obama-general.html

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58 responses to “Canny McPhee Hangs Birthers Out To Dry!!!

  • David Farrar

    But Squeeky,

    This is how our laws tell us we must proceed. This is how law-abiding, civilized people are instructed to petition their government.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

    • G

      And this is how our courts are supposed to function: to address that which is properly brought before their jurisdiction, addressable and can be substantiated. The courts job is to dismiss and toss out everything that can’t meet those basic standards.

      Law abiding, civilized people should not waste the government’s time with unsubstantiated and poorly thought out personal grievances.

      The courts are no place for hack smear merchant propaganda games. Nor are they meant for mere “fishing expeditions” and idle speculation.

    • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

      Hi DavidF!!!

      True, filing lawsuits is a civilized way to proceed, but once a legal issue loses enough, then it is time to change course, accept that the law is what it is, and work to change the underlying law.

      The Birther problem is that they don’t learn anything. They just keep saying that a 14th amendment born-here citizen is not a natural born citizen and the Courts are not ever going to agree, because the past law is not going to magically change.

      If Birthers don’t like the current status of the law, then they need to work to pass new laws. That is how they should proceed.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      • David Farrar

        Agreed,

        When I file next week I will be filing to block Obama from the Georgia ballot until Obama produces his hospital records to substantiate his state record as an aspect of proving a truth, rather than proving a lie.

        Moreover, our nbC argument will be on different grounds, further developed grounds along the lines of natural law and positive law.

        So how will the judges decide this issue when the first sentence of the 14th Amendment is repealed, which, I believe, was your suggestion; was it not?

        ex animo
        davidfarrar

        • Slartibartfast

          David out of breath,

          You cannot repeal an Amendment, you idiot (they can only be superseded by another Amendment and even that wouldn’t retroactively make President Obama ineligible—especially since the 14th Amendment is not required to make President Obama eligible). Furthermore, you have no right (as I’m sure judges will tell you) to see any hospital records and, in any case, they are a less reliable and authoritative source than the Hawai’i DoH (who have already confirmed President Obama’s natural born citizenship to anyone who respects the Constitution). I’m very much hoping that you are hit with severe monetary sanctions and “vexatious litigant” status—both things which you richly deserve.

          Your contempt for American values and our Constitution is despicable. Why don’t you just do us all a favor and leave this country that you seem to hate so much?

        • G

          Still determined to waste the courts time, I see. Just further proof that you were always dishonest with your previous Concern Troll claims, in which you stated that you would respect the judge’s decision.

          It is really sad to see how much irrational hate drives your life these days and leads you to endlessly waste your time titling at windmills and shredding whatever dignity and integrity you ever had. Sane folks don’t seek out constant failure…but then again, I guess some folks are just gluttons for punishment.

    • Thomas Brown

      Really? By filing frivolous lawsuits that waste public money? Here’s a news flash, David: NOT EVERYTHING THAT IS LEGAL TO DO IS A GOOD THING TO DO. You can (and do) do lots of things that are technically legal, but that only a huge asshat who cares nothing about his country would do.

      • David Farrar

        While some may bring frivolous lawsuits, they are just ordinary people. I dare say none have anything more on their minds than just seeking to make sure Obama is qualified to take the oath of office BEFORE his name is place on a ballot — that is the state’s responsibility to its voters, and that’s all we want.

        The rest is going to come down to judicial notice.

        ex animo
        davidfarrar

        • Slartibartfast

          David “out of breath”,

          Remember that we will all be laughing at you when the judge throws out your case or rules against you—all the more so if you are given sanctions. I hope you enjoy the well-deserved failure that you are inevitably bringing upon yourself.

        • G

          Oh, spare me, David.

          He IS and has always been qualified. You simply can’t accept it and are not man enough to own up to it. You have nothing but sham excuses to cover for your real deep emotional problems with being able to deal with his election.

          You would serve yourself better to just be open with the fact that he makes you “uncomfortable” at a “gut level” and therefore you won’t vote for him. Instead, you just continue to waste time and debase yourself with trying to come up with stupid excuses. The only one who looks bad and like a fool out of all this is you Birthers.

    • Sam the Centipede

      No David, once again you show your ignorance. But ignorance is something you have plenty of, and you love to share it.

      The correct way to proceed if you don’t like your President or other elected representative is to campaign and vote for someone else. That is most people’s way. It is the way of The People.

      Your way, of inventing new laws and telling lies, of using the courts to harass elected politicians, of speaking but never listening, is not the correct way.

      But why should I say this? Time and time again your errors are explained to you, time and time again your promulgate the same tired nonsense. And each time you repeat your bullshit, another truth fairy sighs and weeps another tear of honesty and the world becomes a sadder, nastier place.

      When will you say “OK, I was wrong, the law is as the courts and legal experts say, the President is correctly elected, I will stop my stupid games”?

      • Thomas Brown

        Just imagine the Republicans’ reaction if there had been a Birther-style attack on one of their presidents. Hundreds of harassing lawsuits. Spreading baseless, vile smears, involving gay sex, pornography and worse, aimed at not just him but also his mother and his children!

        Remember when the whole right-wing internet machine was viciously attacking anyone who “criticized the President during a war”?!!! Yikes. The hypocrisy could peel paint.

        • David Farrar

          TB,

          We are asking for Obama’s natal records; what’s so baseless about that? It took Donald Trump about a week to produce both documents, without once resorting to any vile smears, involving gay sex, pornography and worse, aimed at not just him but also his mother and his children!

          As far as birther-styled attacks on the Republican president candidates, just ask me. As I have said before, Mitt Romney has his won problems with qualifying as a Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born Citizen.

          The record will also reflex that we were not quite when Tea Party favorite Sen. Marco Rubio’s name was first brought up as a possible VP pick. We were outspoken about Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz, Mia Love as well. I think you’ll find true birthers have been hard on Republicans just as much as they have been hard on Obama and anyone else in high leadership positions failing to govern by the standards as set by Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

          ex animo
          davidfarrar

        • Slartibartfast

          David “out of breath”,

          You are asking for records that are protected by privacy laws, which you have no right to, and which would not be sufficient to (legally) contradict the official statements of the Hawai’i DoH even if there were a conflict. I only wish that you and your ilk could understand the shame you bring upon yourself and this country.

        • G

          David, you claim:

          “The record will also reflex that we were not quite when Tea Party favorite Sen. Marco Rubio’s name was first brought up as a possible VP pick. We were outspoken about Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz, Mia Love as well. I think you’ll find true birthers have been hard on Republicans just as much as they have been hard on Obama and anyone else in high leadership positions failing to govern by the standards as set by Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.”

          However, there is not much to back your claims of such, beyond mere bluster. I fail to see where there has been much Birther activity to actually challenge these other characters. So, there is a lot of reason to believe that you folks are just making this claim as a convenient “beard” cover excuse for your irrational and nonsensical attempted witch-hunts against Obama.

          Even worse is the actual implication of your being “serious” about going after these other legitimate folks. Your arguments about restrictive citizenship in these matters comes down to nothing but xenophobic bigotry in the end.

      • David Farrar

        “The correct way to proceed if you don’t like your President or other elected representative is to campaign and vote for someone else. That is most people’s way. It is the way of The People.”

        Again, this is not a question of simply voting for another person. We have someone other the “Consent of the Governed” creating the qualifications of the two highest offices in the land, the courts. And now they are saying the ‘Consent of the Governed’ must allow those who have not consented to support and abide by our Constitution to run for those two highest political offices as well.

        Why would the ‘Consent of the Governed’ allow anybody but their own access to their ruling body?

        ex animo
        davidfarrar

        • Slartibartfast

          David “out of breath”,

          President Obama IS “one of our own”—he is much more of an American than contemptible bigots such as yourself.

        • Monkey Boy

          We have someone other the “Consent of the Governed” creating the qualifications of the two highest offices in the land, the courts.

          You are either extremely ignorant or a flagrant liar. The Constitution has already created the qualifications for all elected federal official. And, according to the Constitution that you are trying to destroy, the courts have no power arbitrate any of them.

          For the House and Senate: Article 1, section 5.

          Each house will be the judge of their own elections and qualifications of it members. …

          For President & VP: Article II, section 1.

          Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, …

          The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves… .

          Notice the sole limitation that the Constitution puts on the judgement of the Electors. The Electors, chosen by the several states, are constitutionally empowered to determine the qualifications, fitness, and desirability of the Executives.

        • G

          Sorry David, but our entire Constitutional election process is an act of ‘Consent of the Governed’ in process.

          Obama handidly won the American ‘Consent of the Governed’ contest last time around. You are just a sore loser that can’t get over it and who has to make up elaborate excuses for your irrational emotional immaturity.

  • Slartibartfast

    Squeeky said: “I wrote them out this way so they are copy and pastable”

    Aw… aren’t you a stinker! I’m sure you’ll be the toast of the FEMA camp once they lock all of us obots up like Yulia keeps saying… 😉

    David,

    This is how judges tell you that your lawsuits are nothing but frivolous crap and that you should GTFOOTC—if that’s not clear enough for you stupid birthers to comprehend, hopefully they will start saying it with sanctions… No matter what you do, President Obama will be on the ballot in all 50 states and, should he win, be voted on by the electors, have his election certified by Congress, and be sworn in by the Chief Justice—just like the Constitution dictates.

    You’ve lost, David—your interpretation of natural born citizen is just plain wrong and the court decisions against it will just keep piling up. The sooner you accept the obvious and move on with your life, the better off you will be.

  • Leonard

    Squeaky Foam, you are a disgrace to WHITE WOMANHOOD!!!! Your constant making light of patriots and our efforts defend the CONSTITUTION and this sweet land is ODIOUS and unacceptable.

    Not only that, but it is clear that you is a NEGRO-LOVER! When that odious NEGRO Monkey Boy, who strangely uses the asian custom of putting his family name first, make improper advances to you, purportedly a white woman, instead of being scandalized, you flutter you eyelids and hike your skirt. I HAVE WITNESSED THIS DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOR.

    Well, it must end and I am going to engage him in FISTINCUFFS and defend your sullied honor. He is also disrespectful to his betters and does not know how to properly address WHITES. I am like Simon Legree when I meet a disrespectful african.

    I will “whup” his hiney to a fare-de-well. I will conhole his buttcrack raw and send him whimpering and bleeding back to “mother africa.” He will need a super, economy size box of tampax for the boatride.

    I am fast-walking, trash-talking and negro-stalking, I am a hoochy-koochy man. I will hollow his ass out and wear him like a suit of armour!

    As, for you, Ms. Foam, prepare your self for deportation as you have proven your unworthy of our CAUCASIAN HERITAGE and devoid of our morals. You can join you paragon in his MOTHERLAND, but instead of spending you afternoons watching Ophah, and sucking on Thunderbird, you will be pounding millet grain in an un-airconditioned hut while you nappy-headed brood of whelps squall and squabble.

    NO MORE MOONPIES FOR YOU.

    • Yulia

      Long time say Monkey Boy #2 worst of obots after Squeaky. He is schwartzer and make Obama holy ikon.

    • theprofessor

      Wow. Dat [Edit:person] be talkin’ TRASH!

    • Thomas Brown

      That’s a good one. I almost thought you were for real.

    • Lena

      I think that is important to state that the words of this poster should not be imported to Dr. Orly Taitz, esq. There is no proof that he is even a supporter of Dr. Taitz, esq. So, rabid obots, don’t go there.

      I know for fact that Dr. Taitz has assistant who is minority in Soviet Union and was outcast there. Dr. Taitz hired person and also provided her with lodging in a very nice home with maid service.

      Moreover, Dr. Allen Keyes, amb., is minority person here and was represented by Dr. Orly Taitz, esq. pro bono.

    • Monkey Boy

      Lenny, son.

      This is written in sorrow and not in anger. As painful as it was to read such disrespectful words toward me, you real father, I realize that you probably don’t know it.

      Your dear mother promised me that she would tell you the truth once your putative father passed away, but evidently, she didn’t. Or, maybe she did, and that is the source of your abiding and monumental anger.

      Son, come to grips with your identity and embrace it! You will feel serenity.

      • Rambo_Ike

        Boy Monkey has the same problem as Boy Barry 0bumm0. Stanley Ann never told him about Frank once the putative Kenyan father passed. Boy Barry found out when he found the birth certificate among his mama’s papers after she died. Buttt, Boy Monkey will never embrace it so long as he has G to canoodle with and keep him in a state of bliss.

    • Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

      Lenny:

      I think you should stop soaking your MOONPIES in rum. I know it makes them taste better, but is that really worth all the embarrassment you are going to suffer when you wake up, and your head clears, and you read what you wrote???

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

  • TomJones

    You think Leonard watches to much BET?

  • Monkey Boy

    Attention all bloggers. Twinky_Ike has urgent need for flashlight and map to help him find his behind. He also wishes for a magnifying glass to aid in find part to pee pee.

    • Rambo_Ike

      Yo Boy Monkey,

      Have you ever wondered why throughout your whole life all your friends were wearing the same t-shirt when they were with you that said “I’m with Stupid”?

      • Monkey Boy

        Twinky_Ike

        I know that you never caught on that everyone around you was wearing a baseball cap that said: “Don’t blame me, I told all the sailors to pull out?”

    • RoadScholar

      Another flashlight! What is Ike doing with them all?

      Oh, wait. I think I know. Ooog. Well, at least he found it!

      Maybe we should start giving him Coleman lanterns; I doubt they’ll fit. With those and a magnifying glass maybe he can find out if that expensive reassignment surgery worked out!

      • Monkey Boy

        Oh, yes they would fit. I have heard on good authority that frequent use of oversize objects have caused major distensions.

        (shhhh, don’t tell the tea-tards, they might have a problem with that!)

  • Monkey Boy

    ex animal prevaricates:

    We are asking for Obama’s natal records; what’s so baseless about that? It took Donald Trump about a week to produce both documents, ….

    I must have missed something, perhaps while taking a nap during my dotage. Donald Trump produced his natal records? You Lie!

    Even if some goofball court ruled that you could see them, it would be a lie because NO hospital will have preserved records from a non-eventful birth from 50 years ago. You are not merely pig-ignorant, but also a serial liar.

    • RoadScholar

      We should all tell Dipstick Dave at every chance:

      THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOT ON THE CANDIDATE.

      THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE OBJECTOR.

      If it wasn’t illegal I’d kidnap him and have it tatooed on the back of his hands so he would always remember the key problem with his and all other Birfers’ Birfing.

      • Jimmy

        The burden of proof shall be upon the candidate, who must show by a preponderance of the evidence of the record as a whole that he or she is qualified to be a candidate for the office.
        Each state’s party then must certify that the candidate is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States of America.
        After the parties of all 50 states produced their Certificates of Nomination, the Chair of the National Party Convention also signs off certifying that the nominee indeed is constitutionally eligible.

        • Slartibartfast

          Okay Jimmy, if that’s the case then show us the record of all of the other candidates in past elections doing all of that—otherwise STFU.

        • G

          If you aren’t satisfied, then guess what Jimmy – you DON’T have to vote for him. Simple as that and that pretty much is the extent of your rights in this process. Deal with it.

  • linda

    *SMH* At first, I thought I was looking at an old article. Georgia is over the birther follies, Orly got sanctioned $20,000, Obama was been ruled an NBC, and the Supremes said no thanks to Farrar. So, what is the point? Attention? Sympathy or (more) rabble rousing when dismissed or sanctioned?

    • Slartibartfast

      linda,

      The point is to try to smear President Obama and the truth and the outcome are irrelevant if that goal is achieved.

      • linda

        I agree, but why Georgia? Surely there are some other states that have seen fewer cases.

        • G

          I think that David Farrar is from GA, hence why he files in that state. As he is not a lawyer himself, there really isn’t a plausible avenue for him to file outside of the state where he resides.

        • Slartibartfast

          G,

          That’s never stopped Orly… 😉

        • G

          Of course, but Orly “plays” at being a lawyer and can get away with it, because she managed to get that cheap online law degree that only CA will give out. In fact, she was David Farrar’s lawyer in GA (which speaks volumes more about David’s poor judgment skills).

          David is just a dabbling doofus without a licence to practice law at all. Therefore, he can’t really play “pro se” beyond his GA sandbox…and he’s of no value as a patsy beard to Orly beyond GA either…

        • Slartibartfast

          Yeah, I know, but it was just too good a line to pass up…

  • Jimmy

    ”The birther movement has been a subplot on the fringe of the political spectrum in the U.S. for about five year.”

    Just words. Over 40% of the entire electorate is not sure he meets constitutional requirements to serve. This ‘fringe’ issue has tarnished his efforts from year one. Even House democrats know they don’t have to go along with his stuff.

    • Monkey Boy

      Over 40% of the entire electorate is not sure he meets constitutional requirements to serve.

      A lie. Maybe 25% lie and CLAIM to be unsure; but we all know that is caused by a visceral dislike of anyone Presidenting-while-black.

      He has presented more proof of his eligibility than any President in history. In fact, no other President has been ASKED for eligibility data.

      Do you know where and when Romney was born? How?

    • Northland10

      Have you noticed the size of the birther rally’s. Most of them do not reach 40% of the people sitting in my train car for my morning commute. The largest ones do not reach 40% of the people on my train (one of 17 rush hour trains on this one route).

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