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Reed Hayes And The Crapomite Maneuver!!!

corbomite2

In Hindsight, They Probably Should Have Realized He Was Just A Big Dummy

Well, if you have never seen The Corbomite Maneuver from the first season of the original Star Trek TV series, then SPOILERS! Don’t read any further!

Now, for those of you are are still here, this is what Wiki says about the episode:

On stardate 1512.2, the Federation starship USS Enterprise, commanded by Captain James T. Kirk, finishes a third day of mapping stars, when novice navigator Lt. Dave Bailey (Anthony Call) spots a large spinning colored cube floating in space. Kirk arrives and orders the ship to back away from the object. The cube responds by coming even closer and emitting harmful radiation, and Kirk destroys it.

In the midst of a series of attack drills, Spock informs the Captain that a much larger object is rapidly approaching.

Responding to the object’s destruction – which the crew soon learn was a boundary marker – a gigantic glowing sphere quickly approaches the Enterprise. It fills the bridge viewscreen, even at low magnification. The vessel’s controller, Commander Balok, identifies his ship as the Fesarius, the flagship of the “First Federation”.

Mr. Spock manages to get a visual of Balok, a grotesque, blue-skinned humanoid with a frightening face. Balok ignores Kirk’s greetings, and announces that he will destroy the Enterprise for trespassing into First Federation territory and destroying the marker buoy. Balok informs the crew they have ten minutes to pray to their deities before their demise.

Mr. Spock compares the situation to a game of chess: “In chess, when one player is outmatched, the game is over.” He regrets that he can find no logical answer. Kirk replies that the solution is not chess, but poker. He bluffs, telling Balok that the Enterprise has incorporated into it a protective substance known as Corbomite which, when the ship is attacked, creates an equal force rebounding on the attacker.

Apparently falling for the ruse, Balok does not destroy the ship as previously announced. Afterward, Balok makes direct contact with the Enterprise, requesting details on the Corbomite device. After allowing sufficient time, mostly to cause Balok to worry the details, Kirk refuses.

A tug ship then detaches from the Fesarius and tows the Enterprise deep into First Federation space, where Balok announces he will intern the crew and destroy the Enterprise. Under tow, Kirk orders the Enterprise to increasingly resist the tug ship’s tractor beam. Just as the Enterprise’s engines are about to explode from the overload, it breaks free. This disables the alien vehicle.

Rather than flee, Kirk, McCoy, and Bailey form a boarding party to render assistance. Spock remains on the Enterprise to assist them, in case this was a trap. Scott, operating the transporter, tells them to bend down, as the scan on the alien ship reveals it has a very low ceiling. Upon arrival they discover that the “Balok” who appeared on their monitor is just a dummy, and the real Balok resembles a hyperintelligent human child. He enthusiastically welcomes them aboard, offering them “tranya”, his favorite beverage.

Balok explains that he was merely testing the Enterprise and its crew, to discover their true intentions. Although he had read the Enterprise computer records, he felt they could have been a deception. He created his dummy alter-ego, as he knew his true appearance would never frighten anyone.

Everybody lives happily ever after. This is what I suspect is going on with Reed Hayes, the document expert for Deputy Zullo and the Cold Case Posse.  First, no report from Hayes has been presented either in court or in any of Zullo’s numerous appearances.  If such a report even exists, then it must be pure crap or it would have already surfaced.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the Posse have already tried to get prosecutor Bill Montgomery to prosecute Obama, and he refused for lack of evidence. A copy of the refusal is in Note 1., below. If the Cold Case Posse had a report from Hayes, and presented it, then it obviously did not contain enough to permit prosecution.  If the Cold Case Posse had such a bang-up report, and did not present it to the prosecutor,  just prior to the presidential election, then there is something else going on between Obama and Arpaio, such as been alleged by Orly Taitz. In that case,  the report will probably never see the light of day.

Post presidential election, there have been numerous chances for Zullo to present the report, and no particular reason to prolong the process. Zullo has gotten egg on his face for his numerous statements that all legal hell is about to break loose, and then there is nothing but the sound of crickets. His credibility is suffering.

Just a few days ago on June 1, 2013, Zullo spoke before the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Convention in St. Charles, Missouri. Supposedly they were shocked and awed by what they heard. They may have actually had the chance to go into full seizure mode if there was a credible report from Hayes. I don’t think there is any kind of explosive report sitting out there, or it would already have been detonated.

Second, I don’t see Reed Hayes risking professional Hari-Kari by becoming known as that Birther document guy. Imagine Hayes has just recited all his credentials for a jury, and gives his opinion and then. . . opposing counsel gets up and asks, “Hey, aren’t you the same expert who said President Obama’s long form birth certificate was a forgery???” That’s when a judge has to give his Everybody STFU! or I’ll clear the courtroom! speech because of all the laughter.

Unless the rent  was due, or the pantry was bare, I don’t see Hayes putting any of this silliness down in writing in any big way. You might get a little speculative musing that falls far short of accusing Obama, or his handlers, of forgery. Which brings us to the final reason why I think this whole thing is a Crapomite Maneuver, where Zullo and the Gang are trying to get as much mileage as possible from a pile of crap. That is, Zullo has already tipped his hand about what he has, and what input he got from Reed Hayes.

From FreeRepublic, we learn that on June 1, 2013, Zullo said:

Some of the anomalies that we have pointed out today were first discovered by a certified document examiner named Reed Hayes.

Mr. Hayes conclusion after examining Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate pretty much says it all. Mr Hayes says that: ‘In over 20 years of examining documentation of various types I have never seen a document that is so seriously questionable in so many respects. In my opinion the birth certificate is entirely fabricated.'”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3026199/posts

Oh WOW! I am all in a tizzy! NOT!!!  Again, no report has been presented to back up this claim, and Hayes hasn’t even seen the actual long form birth certificate. All he has seen is a PICTURE of it on a computer screen. Sooo, there are some anomalies on a computer picture. Did somebody violate the Online Picture Anomaly Act???  Did someone cross state lines to perform an act of Incompetent Uploading???

Nothing new here. Same old crap we have been looking  at for months.  Meanwhile, Captain Zullo struts around with, “I got an expert! I got an expert!”, and all the time he is holding 5 crummy cards, with an 8 high. I call the bluff. Go ahead Zullo and pull the Crapomite Maneuver. Just do it outside, and take a bar of soap with you. I’ll turn the water hose on you to clean off all the crap. With the nozzle set to “sting.”

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. Refusal To Prosecute. This is from the ObamaReleaseYourRecords website:

Arizona Refusal To Prosecute

(Click On Image To Make Larger.)

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Plan 9 From Alabama!!!

Space Cadet Bill Armistead Explains The Plan To Resurrect Frank Marshall Davis From The Grave

Well, the Alabama Birthers have a new plan to conquer Planet Earth. Here are some excerpts from Salon:

There are the birthers who don’t believe the president was born in the United States. And then there are birthers who think that maybe the president’s father was actually Frank Marshall Davis, the labor activist.

The theory, which departs from that of the more traditional “Obama-is-a-Kenyan” birthers, goes something like this: Obama’s grandfather was an undercover CIA agent who convinced Barack Obama Sr. to marry Obama’s mother to cover up the fact that she was pregnant with then-55-year-old Davis’ baby.

Yesterday, the chairman of the Alabama Republican Party, Bill Armistead, reportedly dipped his toe into the latter category, telling a Republican women’s group that a film that purveys that theory is “absolutely terrifying.” The report came from Mobile Press-Register political editor George Talbot, who attended the event.

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/20/alabama_gop_chairman_goes_birther/

The film referred to above is Joel Gilbert’s Dreams from My Real Father. Here is what Gilbert says about it:

In Dreams from My Real Father, Barack Obama is portrayed by a voiceover actor who chronicles Barack Obama’s life journey in socialism, from birth through his election to the Presidency. The film begins by presenting the case that Barack Obama’s real father was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA propagandist who likely shaped Obama’s world view during his formative years. Barack Obama sold himself to America as the multi-cultural ideal, a man who stood above politics. Was the goat herding Kenyan father only a fairy tale to obscure a Marxist agenda, irreconcilable with American values?

This fascinating narrative is based in part on 2 years of research, interviews, newly unearthed footage and photos, and the writings of Davis and Obama himself. Dreams from My Real Father weaves together the proven facts with reasoned logic in an attempt to fill-in the obvious gaps in Obama’s history.

In other words, Gilbert pulled it out of his a$$.  You can read about it here, if you want to:

http://www.obamasrealfather.com/

Gilbert ought to be ashamed of himself smearing dead people who can’t fight back, and ashamed of himself for lying like a damn dirty dog,  but he isn’t. He is getting too much attention. His production is a slick and polished bunch of crap, but the Alabama Birther Boys are eating it up like turnip greens and ham hocks at a Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting Pot Luck Supper.

It sure don’t take much to fool people nowadays.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. The Image. This is from the classic 1959 Ed Wood film, Plan 9 Fron Outer Space. Wiki says:

Plan 9 from Outer Space (originally titled Grave Robbers from Outer Space) is a 1956 American science fiction film written and directed by Edward D. Wood, Jr. which premiered in 1957 and was released in 1959. The film features Gregory Walcott, Mona McKinnon, Tor Johnson and Maila “Vampira” Nurmi. The film bills Bela Lugosi posthumously as a star, although silent footage of the actor had been shot by Wood for other, unfinished projects just before Lugosi’s death in 1956.

The plot of the film involves extraterrestrial beings who are seeking to stop humans from creating a doomsday weapon that would destroy the universe. In the course of doing so, the aliens implement “Plan 9”, a scheme to resurrect Earth’s dead as what modern audiences would consider zombies (called “ghouls” in the film itself) to get the planet’s attention, causing chaos.

For years the film played on television in relative obscurity, until 1980, when authors Michael Medved and Harry Medved dubbed Plan 9 from Outer Space the “worst movie ever made”. Wood was posthumously awarded the Medveds’ Golden Turkey Award as the worst director ever.

There is a good article at Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space

The Easter Egg is from this wonderful piece of dialogue:


Ordure In The Court!!! Ordure In The Court!!! (Or, Van Irion Flings Poo)

Oblivious To The Odor, Van Irion Prattled On And On

Why is it that Birtherism just lends itself sooo readily to scatological comparisons??? Perhaps it is legal filings like this one, representing the Liberty Legal Foundation, candidate John Dummett, and others. The attorney is some cat named “Van Irion“, and he has been involved in several such eligibility suits.

Anyway, the Birthers filed suit in Arizona, and as Van Irion complains at ObamaReleaseYourRecords:

Rather than address the substantive issue of Obama’s eligibility, Judge Susan Bolton of the Arizona Federal court dismissed our case by claiming that the DNC’s act of sending a notice to the Arizona Secretary of State did not amount to purposefully directing activity toward Arizona. This ruling is absurd, as I discussed in last week’s message.

Here is the link where you can read the whole story:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/08/injunction-motion-against-dnc-filed.html

Anyway, after the judge pushed the Birthers out of the window of her courthouse, they landed on the sidewalk below, picked themselves up, flicked the poop off themselves, and decided to appeal this to the 9th Circuit Court.  Thus, we now have before us their request  for a preliminary injunction to keep Obama’s name off the ballot in Arizona.

Here is a copy of the pdf filing for your convenience:

100% Pure Liberty Legal Foundation Poo

Let me try to give you a recap of the filing. A preliminary injunction is a request to keep somebody from doing something BEFORE you actually have a trial and judgment on the matter. One of the requirements is that you show you have a good enough legal case that you will probably win at trial. So here, the Birthers have to show the law supports their claim Obama is not eligible for the Presidency because he does not have two citizen parents.

But wait!  Haven’t the Birthers crashed and burned on this point like space rocks in a meteor shower??? Haven’t we seen them time and time again streak across the sky in a brief bright flash of light as they disintegrate in the upper atmosphere of a judge’s chamber??? Sooo, how in the world can Van Irion priss himself into the 9th Circuit and pretend he has any kind of a case???

Well, Van Irion pulls the old Minor v. Happersett trick out of the hat. First, he argues that Minor defined a natural born citizen as the child of two parents who are citizens. Then, to deal with the rest of the Minor case, where it clearly says there are some doubts from some authorities about the kids of non-citizens, and that there was no need to resolve those doubts at that time, Van Irion characterizes all that stuff as only concerning regular old everyday citizens as opposed to natural born citizens.

In other words, the same old Birther bullshit that we have been hearing for 4 years and the same old bullshit that has lost in court after court after court. And maybe I should be more polite and professional, and call it something besides bullshit. But you know, that is just what it is and frankly, I am tired of resorting to euphemisms on this stuff.  It is not good enough or smart enough to be called anything other than BULLSHIT.

Anyway, to continue, Van Irion then tries to skip past Wong Kim Ark by claiming everything in that case concerning natural born citizenship is pure dicta because Wong tweren’t  running for President. Once again, not even a clever attempt. The WKA Court determined what natural born citizenship was as a legal matter, to lay a foundation for its findings on the “jurisdiction” issue in the 14th Amendment. Which the WKA Court decided was simply being born in the United States, while not being a child of a foreign diplomat or invading soldier. Which fact about natural born citizenship was affirmed by the 14th Amendment.  And which was necessary to the finding, and therefore NOT dicta.

Then, to sneak his way around the 2009 Ankeny decision, which has been now cited with approval by subsequent state and federal courts,  Van Irion tries to go behind the Ankeny decision. He claims because the Birthers there lacked standing, the Ankeny Court had no business addressing constitutional issues. This is pretty stupid because Ankeny is an Indiana state decision and has no binding legal authority outside of Indiana, only persuasive authority.

Van Irion doesn’t even get a nice try on this one. You see, the courts which have cited Ankeny with approval, are not doing so because the decision in binding on them, but because the reasoning in the decision makes sense, and these other courts agree with the reasoning process. Van Irion fails to address the reasoning because that would raise all those troubling Wong Kim Ark findings. Plus, his argument would only apply to an action taking place in Indiana. Which this isn’t.

You can find all of Van Irion’s nonsense on pages 11-17 in the pdf above.  If you wish to read the Ankeny decision, which is based on the 1898 Wong Kim Ark decision, it has its own page above in the blog header under The Case The “Two Citizen Parents”  Birthers Just HATE!!!

To summarize all this, Van Irion has rolled another big wheelbarrow full of legal manure into a courthouse. I hope the judges come right out and say:

Ordure in the Court!!! Ordure in the Court!!!

and then sanctions the crap out of the whole bunch.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. Ordure. A fancy word for manure.

Note 2. The Image.  This is the The Patient Job by Gerard Seghers (1591-1651).  Job is sitting on a dungheap. This was a popular  artistic theme and there are many paintings. It is based on:

Testament of Job 24-25 (excerpts from a lengthy speech)

At once, my wife drew near. Crying out with tears she said to me: “Job, Job! How long will you sit on the dung-heap outside the city, thinking ‘Only a little longer!” and awaiting hope for salvation?


A Vattel Birther Tackles The Bible

Doh! and the Other Vattle Birthers Need De-BUNKING!!!

First, a little background. It is Sunday and being a good little Girl Reporter, here I am reading my Bible and trying to behave myself, when it suddenly occurrs to me, how would a Vattle Birther interpret the Bible. Vattle Birthers are what I call the silly, ignorant people who think that it takes two citizen parents for somebody to be a natural born citizen. They are a embarrassment to the rest of the Birthers. Vattel was a Swiss guy who spoke French and died like 300 years ago, but who the Vattle Birthers think was the inspiration for the Constitution or something.

If it wasn’t Sunday, and if I wasn’t trying to behave myself, then I would use a whole lot worse language to describe the Vattle Birthers besides silly and ignorant. If, for example, it was Monday, then I would be calling them a pack of big fat liars who are purposely misleading people.  They ignore court decisions which they don’t like. They read court cases to mean the opposite of what they really mean. Nobody can mangle the English language as bad as they do on accident.  Anyway, here is the imaginary discussion between me and a Vattle Birther about the Bible.

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Vattle Birther: You know, if you believe in Jesus, you are going to die and not get to go to Heaven. That’s what it says in the Bible.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter:  DO WHAT??? That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard. Haven’t you ever read John 3:16, where it says, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Vattle Birther: You are reading it wrong.  The “him” refers back to God, not Jesus. If you believe in God, then you get everlasting life. If you believe in Jesus, then you aren’t believing in God, so you are going to perish.  John 3:16 is the seminal verse which proves my point that you are not supposed to believe in Jesus.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: That is an absurd way to read the verse, and nobody else in the universe reads it that way.  Plus what about the rest of the Bible and all the other verses like in Romans10:9, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Vattle Birther: Romans??? How can you believe anything in Romans, because Paul was a Roman and they were the ones who fed Christians to  the lions!!!

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: You’re crazy and a liar to boot. What about all the preachers of every denomination. None of them say what you do, that is wrong to believe in Jesus???

Vattle Birther: All the preachers are in on it. None of them tell the truth because they would lose their jobs.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: That is just purely stupid and you ought to be ashamed of yourself misleading people that way!!! I can see how some of the sophisticated Christians might water stuff down, but what about the Hellfire Texas Baptists??? They have guns and aren’t one bit afraid to tell the truth.  Plus, why is it that nobody in the last few hundred years has interpreted things like you have??? You are just a demon or something, GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!!!

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Now, if anybody thinks that this is exaggeration, forget it. The Vattle Birthers do just exactly this sort of stuff to arrive at their conclusions. And, if you think I am being sacrilegious. . .well, it is Sunday, and I got you to read two Bible verses, which is probably two more than most of you Heathens would have read otherwise!!!

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter


Vattle Birthers: An Embarrassment To The Birther Movement!!!

Vattel Birther Legal Experts

This is a kind of long Internet Article, but it is about important stuff. Plus, it is the first in a new series I plan to do on the Vattle Birther Issue. (I mis-spell it as Vattle on purpose because I think the whole Vattel thing is just silly.)

From the very beginning, there have been two main Schools of Birther Thought related to the natural born citizen clause of the Constitution. One was the Common Sense Suspicious Birthers who simply were not convinced by Obama’s verifiable-information deficit short form birth certificate.  If Obama was born outside the United States, then he was NOT eligible to be president.

The other group was the Vattel or British Citizen Birthers who invented this weird legal theory that it takes TWO citizen parents  to make a natural born citizen. The actual law on this is pretty well established in a U.S. Supreme Court Case called Wong Kim Ark. (This was the name of the Chinese person, and had nothing whatsoever to do with Arkansas). In that case, the Supreme Court said over and over that if you were born in the United States, and weren’t the child of a diplomat or invading soldier, then you were a natural born citizen and it didn’t matter where your parents were from.  Which is why we have the anchor babies you hear about on the news. Here is a excerpt from the case:

every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.

Here is a link to this very long 1898 case if you are interested:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html

The Supreme Court was very clear that there were only two kinds of citizens, those born here and those naturalized:

The Fourteenth Amendmentof the Constitution, in the declaration that all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside, contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization.

Now, the Vattel Birthers, knowing that Obama’s father is probably from Kenya, which in August 1961 was still part of the British Empire, believe that this makes Obama not eligible to be president even if he was born in Hawaii. Most of this was based on a guy named Emerich de Vattel, who wiki confirms was SWISS (not French as I have previously stated) but wrote stuff in French.  (The Swiss don’t seem to have their own language.)

This is because Vattel wrote this:

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

And thus, because Obama’s father wasn’t born here, Obama is supposedly not eligible.  Here is a link to the Vattel stuff:

http://www.birthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

This is a really nice theory, but there is a pretty big problem. American courts DO NOT use Vattel’s definition. American courts, like quoted above, use English law.  Plus, according to the Wong Kim Ark case, there were only two kinds of citizens–natural born and naturalized, where you have to get the government to make you a citizen.Which, if you think about it, makes sense, because our country was British at the time of the American Revolution and NOT Swiss.

Sooo, the Vattle Birthers tried to argue that there were two kinds of birth citizens— just plain old regular birth citizens, like the illegal alien anchor babies,  and then natural born citiziens who had two citizen parents.  Again, a really nice theory, so in 2008 some Vattel Birthers in Indiana sued to have Obama thrown out because he was just a regular birth citizen and not a natural born citizen. So here is what the Vattle Birthers said.

“[c]ontrary to the thinking of most People on the subject, there’s a very clear distinction between a „citizen of the United States” and a „natural born Citizen,” and the difference involves having [two] parents of U.S. citizenship, owing no foreign allegiance.” Appellants’ Brief at 23. With regard to President Barack Obama, the Plaintiffs posit that because his father was a citizen of the United Kingdom, President Obama is constitutionally ineligible to assume the Office of the President.

But the Indiana Court said NOPE!!!

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”15

Here is a link to the full Indiana case if you are interested:

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/ankeny-v-gov-of-indiana-natural-born-defined-born-on-us-soil-regardless-of-citizenship-parents/

Sooo, after all this you think the Vattle Birthers would get the point. But they don’t and this is where this whole Vattle stuff leaves Legal La La Land and becomes a embarrassment to the rest of the Birther Movement. Because the Vattle Birthers keep at it, throwing out every thing they can lay their hands on:  letters from 200+ years ago, law school articles, law dictionaries from the 1800’s, law cases before the Wong Kim Ark case, and anything else they can to try to  get around what is a real simple law thing.

That is what irritated me a year ago when I wrote my first anti-Vattle Birther Internet Article.  I would be debating Obotski, and doing a good job, then here would come a Vattle Birther with all that two citizen parent crap and the whole thread would disappear in a confusing mix-match of whatever nonsense they could duck tape together. Usually, the recipe looked  something like this:

1. Start with a 1787 letter to George Washington from John Jay, which stated “Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable [Blah Blah Blah]that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen”;

2. Then, stir in a  definition from a 1800’s something law dictionary that had different definitions for natural born citizen and native citizen thus proving for all time the two are different!!!;

3. Adding in a dash of Congressional Intent from a Congressman named John Bingham in 1862 who said: “Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens.”;

4. Sprinking in some Vattle seasoning, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens”, and then, finally to make it all look LEGAL;

5. Dump a heap of mis-interpreted law case(s), which DO NOT discuss the issue,  like from this 1875 Supreme Court Case, Minor v. Happersett, and then PRETEND  it decided the case in your favor—see the bolded, italicized part below :

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

This process might take up 5 or 6 pages or 20 or more. But the Vattle Birther would take this mess and proclaim  they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is NOT eligible, and now, everybody just knows it takes two citizen parents to be president.  And if you didn’t agree, then you were just totally stupid or something.

Except that the Vattle Birther had completely disregarded the two cases above, and usually managed to mangle whatever case they were quoting.  And, you have to ignore the fact that if this was really the law, the lawyers working for Hillary Clinton and John McCain must have really messed up.  And, you have to ignore that not one legal case backs them up. And, that only a couple of conservative lawyers in the whole country out of hundreds of thousands, have filed anything. And, you have to ignore that probably nobody was ever taught this in school; And, you have to ignore that even a large number of Birthers don’t buy it.

And those other Birthers, the ones like I was,  actually managed to accomplish something. By repeatedly asking why Obama had not coughed up his  long form birth certificate, by the time of the 2010 mid-term elections 58% of Americans had some degree of doubt where Obama was born, Obama was SHELLACKED and neutered, and Obama was maneuvered into coughing up his long form birth certificate, as flaky as it is.

What have the Vattle Birthers accomplished??? NOTHING, except confusion and stress from having to read their silly crap. There have been some decent Vattle Birthers.  Mr. Apuzzo is a nice person and he put together as respectable a case as he could, but the Supreme Court didn’t even think it was worth a hearing. The Birther websites are run by dedicated people like Dr. Kate, Sharon Rondeau, and whoever it is who runs Obama Release Your Records, just to name a few.

But, by and large, the Vattle Birthers sit there and write their dribble day after day, and Heaven Help Them if the Obotski find them because here comes those two law cases from above and the Vattle Birther just has to do his or her best to ignore the legal reality. Which is kind of hard to do when you are debating with people who have good reading comprehension skills. It used to embarrass me when I was on the same thread as a Vattle Birther, and it is embarrassing me more and more when these twerps spew their nonsense.  It is embarrassing to watch the stupid Vattle Birthers just get creamed time after time and know people are associating them with me. Sooo, I think I am going to start doing something to shut them down. Sooo, now The Birther Think Tank has a NEW category: Vattel Birther DeBunking!!!

BTW (which means By The Way),  if you see somebody who looks like those two guys above, it is probably a Vattle Birther.  Be prepared for a lot of noise, slobbering, and drooling!!!

Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter