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Did The Whistleblower Give Orly Taitz The Slip???

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She Wanted To Believe So Badly,  That She Swallowed It Hook, Line, And Sinker

A little over two months ago,  on June 19, 2013, Orly Taitz went to a Tea Party rally in Washington D.C. where she met someone [allegedly named Laurie Hathaway]  who claimed to be an employee of HESC, a student loan servicing company.  She  told Taitz that she had copies of papers showing that Obama attended Columbia as a foreign student, from Indonesia. Then, the Whistleblower disappeared for a few days, and then reappeared, then went silent again.

The Birther Think Tank did 4 separate articles on the Whistleblower, which are linked in Note 2, below. The last one of those articles was on July 11, 2013. I never put much credence in the story, and have been keeping an eye on Taitz’s website to see if anything definite ever surfaced.  If I have successfully navigated her confusing website, where her every random thought seems to generate a post, there are five more articles on the Whistleblower, and one duplicative “press release” which I omitted.

To make it easier to read, I have liberally copied and pasted from her website, with the link back to her website. On August 10, she indicates that she managed to get back in touch with her contact, who was supposedly under FBI surveillance and harassment. This is evident from paragraphs 10, 11, and 12 of her affidavit to Darrell Issa, which I bolded, and from the title of the post which is underlined:

ONE – August 10, 2013 Post

Posted on | August 10, 2013 | 22 Comments

Press release
Law Offices of Orly Taitz

(Title) Evidence of terror and harassment of the HESC whistle blower Laurie Hathaway who provided Attorney Orly Taitz with evidence of Barack Obama, citizen of Indonesia,  in his capacity of a foreign student, receiving educational loan from the HESC. request for the US Congress to investigate fraud committed by Obama and investigate employees of the FBI, Department of Justice, other governmental employees and judges aiding and abetting Obama and harassing and terrorizing law abiding citizens and whistle blowers.

DR. ORLY TAITZ ESQ
PRESIDENT
DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS FOUNDATION
29839 SANTA MARGARITA PKWY, STE 100
RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA CA 92688

Darrell Issa
Chair of the House Oversight Committee
Re Harassment and intimidation of the whistle blowers by the FBI.
Request for help and assistance.

SWORN AFFIDAVIT OF ATTORNEY ORLY TAITZ

1. My name is Orly Taitz. I am a licensed attorney and a licensed Doctor of Dental Surgery. As an attorney and an officer of the court I swear under the penalty of perjury that all of the information below is true and correct and to the best of my knowledge and informed consent.

2. I am a President of Defend our Freedoms Foundation which is designed to preserve the constitutional freedoms of the U.S. citizens. In my youth I lived in the communist dictatorship of the Soviet Union and I am greatly concerned about the loss of the constitutional freedoms of the US citizens in the past few years.

3. In May of 2013 I participated at a Washington DC rally organized by a number of the US congressmen protesting the mega amnesty of millions of illegals that is currently pushed by the Democratic party as well as targeting of the conservative organizations by the IRS.

4. At the rally I met a whistle blower, employee of the HESC -Higher Education Services Corporation, Ms. Laurie Hathaway.

5. Ms. Hathaway advised me that  she is desperately trying to provide the public with evidence of fraud committed by Barack Obama, specifically the fact that Barack Obama received an educational loan from HESC as a foreign citizen, a citizen of Indonesia. As a citizen of Indonesia he is not eligible to be the U.S. President. Ms. Hathaway stated that she forwarded this information to Sheriff Arpaio as well.

6. Ms. Hathaway has sworn to me that she personally saw the documents, showing Barack Obama listed as a foreign national, citizen of Indonesia in his loan documents.

7. Ms. Hathaway stated that the documents are never discarded and are kept in the vault at the HESC head quarters at Buffalo, New York. She advised me that other employees of the HESC saw the same documents and aware of Obama’s loans received based on his status of a foreign student and fraud committed by Obama in asserting his eligibility for the U.S. Presidency claiming the U.S. citizenship, while retaining the Indonesian citizenship.

8. I did my due diligence and checked and verified that Laurie Hathaway is indeed an employee of HESC in Buffalo, New York. I have in my position her e-mail address at the HESC and other identifying information.

9. Ms. Hathaway promised to obtain a copy of the document and forward it to me.

10. After the meeting I had one or two phone conversations with Ms. Hathaway and received one or two e-mails from her.

11. Shortly thereafter Ms. Hathaway’s cell phone was disconnected and nobody responded at her home number.

12. On 08.10.2013 I tried to contact her again. As I was leaving a message for her, a man answered the phone. The man sounded very frightened and asked me not to call or e-mail Ms. Hathaway because FBI is investigating  Ms. Hathaway because she blew the whistle and provided information to me. They are afraid of the FBI. This phone conversation took place at 10:59 am, PST on 08.10.2013.

13. Intimidation and harassment of the whistle blower Laurie Hathaway by Holder Department of Justice and Mueller/Comey FBI is akin to the intimidation of citizens by the Hitler NAZI Gestapo or SS troops. This nation is rapidly becoming another NAZI tyranny, unless this is stopped by someone in the  U.S. Congress or Judiciary who still retains one drop of decency, integrity, moral values and respect for the rule of law and the Constitution.  

I am attaching herein a 146 file of additional evidence showing the citizen of Indonesia, Barack Obama, using a stolen Social Security number and fabricated IDs as a basis of his identity  and eligibility to the U.S. Presidency and in order to defraud the U.S. citizens and usurp the position of the U.S. President and Commander-in Chief based on fraud, harassment, intimidation and use of multiple agencies of the U.S. government for purposes of terror an harassment of whistle blowers. I am prepared to testify before the U.S. Congress and attest to the authenticity of each and every document in the file as well as provide names of multiple other whistle blowers against Obama being terrorized and intimidated by the Department of Justice/FBI, other governmental officials, as well as by a number of state and federal judges.  

I am requesting an immediate investigation by the U.S. Congress of  the fact that a citizen of Indonesia, Barack Obama, is usurping the U.S. Presidency based on fraud, harassment,  intimidation and use of  stolen and fabricated IDs. I am also requesting a congressional investigation of the employees of the U.S. government, including employees of the Department of Justice and the FBI, federal and State judges, who are criminally complicit in the cover up of Obama’s fraudulent IDs and criminally complicit in terror and harassment of the whistle blowers who provided the aforementioned information to me.

End of Affidavit.

 Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ

08.10.2013

Another problem seems to have arisen. In her original affidavit of June 19, 2013, Taitz said:

6.   Whistleblower stated that she and several other employees made copies of the aforementioned foreign student record for Mr. Obama in case someone in the corporation management decides to destroy the original records.

I read that as meaning the Whistleblower had her own copy of the alleged documents. Now, look at paragraphs 6 and 9 above:

6. Ms. Hathaway has sworn to me that she personally saw the documents, showing Barack Obama listed as a foreign national, citizen of Indonesia in his loan documents.

9. Ms. Hathaway promised to obtain a copy of the document and forward it to me.

It doesn’t look like the Whistleblower actually has the paperwork. Next, in response to some criticism of her story, she made this post the next day on August 11, 2013:

TWO – August 11, 2013 Post

Posted on | August 11, 2013 | 1 Comment

(Title)   More information regarding HESC employee, whistle blower Laurie Hathaway, who is being harassed by the FBI due to the fact that she provided Attorney Orly Taitz information on Obama’s Indonesian citizenship and the fact that he received  HESC foreign citizen student loans

Some Obama operatives have attacked me, claiming that information regarding FBI investigation of HESC employee Laurie Hathaway is not true. They are claiming this for the following reasons:

a. the phone call was made on Saturday and HESC is closed on Saturday

b. FBI does not tell employees that they are being investigated.

c. HESC is in New York and would not be dealing with records from Occidental college

here is the response from attorney Orly Taitz:

a. the call was made not to HESC, but to Laurie’s home phone number, land line, which she gave me and I have in my possession. Last 2 digits are “76″

b. FBI questions individuals whom they investigate, as such Laurie knows that she is being investigated

c. Barack Obama was a resident of New York state while he studied at Columbia University, which is located in New York City. There are millions of individuals around the country who are residents of different states while on green card, student visas and so on and who are citizens of other countries. Keep in mind, Obama was removed from his mother’s passport when he obtained his Indonesian citizenship.

After this post, The Albany Times Union ran a story on Taitz and the HESC Whistleblower,  (See Note 3, below.) prompting this outburst:

Three – August 13, 2013 Post

Posted on | August 13, 2013 | 5 Comments

1:55 PM (0 minutes ago)

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(Title)   HESC admits that Laurie Hathaway indeed an employee there, but claims not to have Obama’s records

Mr. Seiler
you wrote a defamatory article and did not include any documents

1. I demand that you provide your readers with actual documents
Please, see attached Obama’s record from Columbia university
I obtained it from the Student Clearing house. Military officer
Pamela Barnett received the same records. It shows Obama lying
about the length of his education in Columbia university. If you
look at the bottom of the page, you will see that he went to
Columbia for only 9 months, not 2 years, as he claims in his
biography. The question is, why is he lying about it? Please,
contact Columbia university and inquier about this record

2. I misspoke by stating Buffalo, NY, instead of Albany NY.
Ms. Hathaway works in Albany and she personally saw the records
there.

I believe HESC used the error in the name of the city to obfuscate
the records. I reside in CA, not in NY, and I did not know about HESC or Laurie
Hathaway.

3. There are other employees who saw Obama’s records. There is an
employee by first name Nick, he works with Laurie Hathaway.

Next,  in post number Four, Taitz appeals for her Flying Monkeys to find someone named “Nick,” who works with the Whistleblower and may have a copy of the documents. In paragraph 4, she is trying to find out if the FBI is investigating the Whistleblower which indicates to me that she once again lost contact with her.

FOUR – August 13, 2013 Post

Posted on | August 13, 2013 | 8 Comments

(Title)   HESC in Albany New York admitted that whistle blower Laurie Hathaway indeed works for them, but claim that they do not have records of  foreign student  loans for Obama or Soetoro.

Laurie Hathaway, whistle blower from HESC gave Taitz a name of yet another employee by name Nick, who works with her and who, also, examined Obama’s foreign student loan documents.

I am asking my supporters to contact HESC and request clarification, whether:

1. HESC does not have records now, but they might have existed before or whether

2.they have records of all loans received  from 1979 until now  and among all of these loans there was never a loan given to a student by last name Obama or Soetoro or Soebarkah or Bounel.

3. seek a response from Obama. As Obama states that he finished paying his student loans only in 2004, he admitted that he received student loans and the public would like to know from which institutions did he get student loans or grants, specifically in light of revelations by the whistle blower . As Obama stated that he came from a poor family and he went to all expensive private schools: Punahoa high school, Occidental college, Columbia university and Harvard, there should be multiple loans. Where did he get those loans?

4. contact Albany NY FBI and request information, whether they are investigating a whistle blower Laurie Hathaway for blowing the whistle on Obama and HESC and alerting an attorney that Obama received a student loan from HESC as a foreign student and is hiding this information and HESC is hiding this information from the public as well.

Finally, by August 14, 2013 the Whistleblower’s FaceBook page is down and Taitz is trying to make contact with some of her friends.

FIVE – August 14, 2013 Post

Posted on | August 14, 2013 | 15 Comments

(Title)   Can someone get in touch with Jocelyn Levy, who works with Laurie Hathaway at HESC, and see if she has a copy of Obama’s foreign student loan documents

Hathaway’s facebook page is deleted but three of her friends are Jocelyn levy (works at same place), cherylynn brewer, janet sweener. also work at same place Kimberly king, brenda eipp, kim vacc, bill ridings, anita norton Phillips, john j mullen , Karen Davidson Larsen, lori reinhart.

My GUESS is, that Laurie Hathaway is no longer available to Taitz, and is probably hiding out from her. It also looks like the incriminating documents don’t yet have an earthly manifestation. Thus, the question I asked in my first article on this seems to be answered. Taitz found a Smokeblower, not a Whistleblower.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. The Image. This is the actress, Linda Lovelace, from a 1972 movie about Watergate, called Deep Throat. Which two years later caused President Nixon to resign. I have not seen the movie, but I think she played the Whistleblower part.

Note 2. Previous Whistleblower Articles: Here they are in chronological order:

Did Orly Taitz Find A Whistleblower Or A Smokeblower???

Whistle Stop Or Obot Prank???

Taitz’s Whistleblower Still Blowing!!!

Where Oh Where Can The Whistleblower Be???

Note 3. The Albany Times Union Story:  I am not sure what she is complaining about. The story was pretty neutral. It may be found here:

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Birther-Proof-is-in-agency-s-safe-4729488.php

Note 4. For ESLs. The Image Easter Egg is a word play on “getting hosed” which can mean getting taken in by a con artist, or putting on hosiery as in the picture.  To “swallow” a story is to believe it, when perhaps one shouldn’t.   To accept without question, protest, or resentment.  <swallow an insult> <a hard story to swallow>

Hook, line, and sinker is an idiomatic phrase meaning totally or completely.  She fell for our story hook, line, and sinker. They believed every word hook, line, and sinker.


Taitz’s Whistleblower Still Blowing!!!

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“Don’t Forget To Whistle!”, He Yelled At Her.

Whew, that was close! This morning Orly Taitz couldn’t make contact with her whistleblower, and then later in the day she did! Here is the comforting news from Taitz’s website:

I received an answer to one of the questions.

The question was, why is HESC listed as created in 1986, while Obama started in Occidental in 1979.

I received an answer from the whistle-blower. She stated that there was a name change, that it used to be HEA, Higher Education aid, but later was changed to HESC-Higher Education Services Corporation.

according to the whistle-blower Obama received a grant, not a loan and it was for him as a foreign student, citizen of Indonesia . I am trying to see, if he got such aid for all three universities he went to.

I, also, have a record from another source supposedly Obama’s name, address in GA and the SSN supposedly of his step brother Mark Obama Ndsanjo, his father’s  son from his third marriage. It might be an error, I do not know for sure. I am trying to ascertain whether Mark Ndsanjo, his half brother, got the same aid for his studies at Stanford, Brown and Emory university in GA. Also, whether his step sister, Maya Soetoro, got similar grants.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=426059&cpage=1#comment-279533

This morning, sometime to prior to 6:00 A.M., it was a different story:

I am extremely concerned that i was not able to get a response from the whistle -blower either through e-mails or phone . I talked to her at the rally on WD, from what I understand she was at work on Th, but she has not been responding since.

See the Internet Article here called Whistle Stop??? preceding this one for those details. Taitz’s website doesn’t list the exact time an article is posted, and both stories have today’s date. Sooo, the drama continues.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. The Image. This is from George Romero’s 1968 zombie classic, Night of the Living Dead. This particular scene occurs in the graveyard, right before all hell breaks loose. This is still a great film!


Whistle Stop??? (Or Obot Prank???)

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The Town Was Mostly Deserted Now, But Old Blue Swore He Heard Someone Whistling

Hmmm. See if you can find the the major piece of news hidden in the little tidbits from Orly Taitz. I have given you a hint:

I am extremely concerned that i was not able to get a response from the whistle -blower either through e-mails or phone . I talked to her at the rally on WD, from what I understand she was at work on Th, but she has not been responding since.

I need help in research. I am wondering if these units of name with bogus addresses and SSNs are related to different schemes. Please, look at the report by investigator Neil Sankey

1. I need to get  info on Maya Soetoro and Mark Ndsanjo (half brother of Obama). where did they study, what residency did they claim and whether there were student loans. I am wondering if some of these bogus numbers are related t some fraudulent student loans.

2. the property of Obama is in trust. a judge is a trustee, it appears that Bounel’s name and ssn are listed in this trust. I wonder if there are other similar trusts around the country

3. I wonder if this is related to some tax returns

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=425976

Yep, she is having problems locating her whistle blower. That would be a major blow to her efforts in the Taitz: v Obomo, Fenstein, Emken case.  I wonder if she was the victim of an Obot Prank??? This is certainly interesting and we will stay on top of this!

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. Whistle Stop. The primary meaning of Whistle Stop is:

whis′tle stop`
n.
1. a small unimportant town, esp. one along a railroad line.

1. (Transport / Railways) US and Canadian
a. a minor railway station where trains stop only on signal
b. a small town having such a station

So, for ESLs, this is a word play on that meaning, and a whistleblower who stops whistling.

Note 2. The Image. It can be found in this NPR photo story:

‘People Of The Clouds’: A Story Of Ghost Towns And Great Migrations 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2011/06/24/137218622/people-of-the-clouds-a-story-of-ghost-towns-and-great-migrations


Did Orly Taitz Find A Whistleblower Or A Smokeblower???

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Orly Just Lay There And Prayed For A Whistleblower To Come Along!

Orly Taitz has found a WHISTLEBLOWER! Here is page 4 from her recent filing which contains all the juicy information. I converted it to text, and then back to pdf to make it darker and easier to read. The entire unedited pdf is in the notes.

DECLARATION OF ORLYTAITZ

Here is a text rendition:

DECLARATION OF ORLY TAITZ

I am an appellant In Taitz: v Obomo, Fenstein, Emken In front of the Fourth District Court of Appeal,
State of California CaseG047746. I have personal knowledge of the facts described below and attest
under the penalty of perjury of the following;

1.    On 06.19.2013 I participated In a rally in front of the U.S. Capitol.

2.   At the rally I met a whistleblower,  who is an employee of the Higher Education Services Corporation In Albany New York. (Hereinafter HESC)

3.   The whistleblower  advised me that she is seeking to provide to a judge evidence of fraud.

4.   The whistleblower  stated that she personally reviewed financial aid records of Mr. Barack Obama. She reviewed  the financial aid microfilm, where it stated that Mr. Obama received financial aid as a foreign student, citizen of Indonesia.

5.    Whistleblower stated that usual modus operandi of the Higher Education Services Corporation, Is not to destroy the records and as of the date of our conversation 06.19.2013 the microfilm of the record was in the safe of the corporation.

6.   Whistleblower stated that she and several other employees made copies of the aforementioned foreign student record for Mr. Obama in case someone in the corporation management decides to destroy the original records.

7.   Whistleblower stated that she made the statement due to the fact that she is concerned withfraud committed  by Mr. Obama, as being a citizen of Indonesia he was never legitimate for the u.s, Presidency.

8.   Whistleblower  provided me and wrote in her own handwriting  her first and last name, her home and cell phone numbers and her work and personal e-mail addresses.

9.   Whistleblower  stated that she is concerned about retaliation  by Mr. Obama and Obama regime.

10. I did my due diligence and verified that indeed aforementioned whistleblower  is employed by the Higher Education Services Corporation.

11. I verified that  Mr. Obama indeed transferred from the Occidental college to the Columbia University in New York, therefore his financial aid would be handled by Albany, New York office.

12. Due to the fact that the whistleblower  is concerned of retaliation.  I am asking the court to allow to submit her identification  information  under seal and any testimony, if needed by the court, to be done in camera.

I attest under the penalty perjury that all of the Information  is true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

/s/  Or. Orly Taitz. ESQ Appellant
Taltz v Obama, Feinstein, Emken

Here are my thoughts. First, she has a reasonably competent legal assistant working for her. The format is much cleaner, and professionally put together. The language appears to be English, which has been doubtful in the past.

Second, if these claims pan out, Taitz will have found evidence that Obama either lied on his college financial request forms, or does in fact have dual Indonesian citizenship. Whichever, this will prove more of an embarrassment, than proof of ineligibility. Whatever Obama may have put on his college forms does not trump the Hawaiian birth certificate.  This is much the same as the publisher’s blurb. Interesting, but not proof of ineligibility. We already know Obama smoked pot and snorted coke when he was young. Finding out that he lied about where he was from would be kind of anticlimactic.

Finally, I sincerely doubt that these claims will pan out. If the Whistleblower did have documentary evidence, it should have been attached to the filing. And, one would think Orly would be bragging that she had the documents. This leads me to believe that any alleged documents are in the hands of the Whistleblower. Which means even Orly hasn’t seen them yet.

It seems weird to me that if the Whistleblower(s) had any desire to bust Obama out, why wait until after the election? These papers would have been worth a mint to Donald Trump, or numerous other Republicans. The Democrats were poking Romney with him teasing some kid in high school. This would have provided some good pokes right back at Obama.

And too, why would a Whistleblower who is scared of retaliation go to a California lawyer who hasn’t won a case? Wouldn’t they seek out a good New York Republican lawyer? Additionally, these records would have existed in 2007 and 2008.  Either the Clintons, or the Republicans who were still in control of the White House, would certainly have uncovered this information. So, I don’t think there are any such documents.

But that is just my opinion.  The documents will either surface, or they won’t. Time will tell, but I suspect this will fizzle out along with all the other wild Birther claims.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

Note 1. The Taitz Whistleblower. Here is the complete pdf:

Taitz Whistleblower Filing

Note 2. Smokeblower. For ESL’s this is a wordplay based on the idiom, blowing smoke, meaning:

blow smoke  (American) to say things that are not true in order to make yourself or something you are involved with seem better than it is


The Precedent For The Prescient President (Or, Meeting The Jung Obama)

I Met Him In Chattanooga, And He Said He Was From Kenya, Or Maybe Indonesia. . . But I'm Sure It Was Him!

This Internet Article could easily  be expanded to take up an entire book or two, but I will try to keep it short and readable. Before Postman Allen Hulton, there was another story where someone supposedly met the Young Obama, who said he was from Indonesia, and born in Kenya, and would be President one day.  That person was the Freeper Race Bannon.  Here are excerpts from his 2009 tale:

I believe with all sincerity and truthfulness. I am making nothing up here, except maybe a few words to keep a written dialog in readable form, but I believe I met Barak Obama in Hawaii in 1980 in Honolulu .

What strikes me most is what he said as to where he grew up: Indonesia . He told me he wanted to be President of the US someday. I remember lightly smiling and commenting that maybe by the time he gets to be 40 or so, America will be ready for a Black man to be President and I wished him luck. We spoke of the racial tensions I saw at home while growing up and I asked him if he ever saw that overseas or since he returned back to Hawaii . I don’t remember his answer, but we spoke more of his time overseas and his thoughts on life and philosophy of government. He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time on continental United States and I told him he better realize that he is making judgments about the United States when he himself never actually lived there. I told him, “ Hawaii aint the United States !”

He also told me something that I never forgot, for it caused me to do some other things in an effort to be nice to him and possibly a favor. We spoke of where I had been and the world as I saw it. I told him I had been to Africa , Mombassa specifically, and he said to me abruptly, “I was born there”. I told him he is not eligible to be president if that was true, but I remembered he said his mom was an American, so, maybe it was okay. But it was what I did after that makes this a true memory: I went back to the barracks and told others of this guy and suggested we all grab our photo albums and visit him again and show him pictures of Mombassa so he could see where he was from.

While I cannot swear it was Barak Obama, all the details I do remember of that chance encounter fit the profile of the man who some people claim is born in Kenya and others claim he was born in Hawaii . The man I met was about 18, thin, Mulatto, told me he was born in Mombassa, raised overseas, was living in Hawaii and hadn’t yet been to many places in the world outside of those places, mostly, hadn’t been to the mainland of America for any long time period if at all. And he openly told me he wanted to be President.

You can read the full story with all the embellishments here:

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/11/first-hand-witness-to-obama-admitting.html

Luckily, Mr. Bannon made a few boo-boos writing his story, and Blogger Barackrypal picked up on them, and busted him out:

http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/08/jim-racebannon-bancroft-birtherisms.html

The stories have these things in common, like:

1. Indonesia;
2. Kenya;
3. The inability to remember the person’s strange sounding name;
4. The post de facto realization that it was Barack Obama;
5. The innocuous, casual nature of the encounter;
6. The ambiguous time frame of the meeting; and
7. The stranger’s intention to be President one day.

But, it is the last one that get’s my attention. Notice the similarities to the Postman Story in the “I will be President” element:

Hulton remembers asking the young man what his plans were for the future.

“He looked right at me and told me he was going to be president of the United States,” Hulton says.

“There was a little bit of a grin on his face when he said it – he sounded sure of himself, but not arrogant. I know how people will say things because they have an ambition, but it did not come across that way,” Hulton says. “It came across as if this young black male was telling me he was going to be president, almost as if it were the statement of a scientific fact that had already been determined, as if his being president had been already pre-arranged.”

Hulton says the claim made him speechless.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/

I have not read any of Obama’s books or biographies, but a quick scan of the Intertubz has not revealed that he had any such thoughts at an early age. Assuming that this element is a totally invented one, the question arises, “Why???”

To be a run-of-the-mill King Incognito or Angel Unaware type folk tale, or even a flat-out lie, Obama does not need to be anything other than the future President. This common, but unnecessary, element of both stories seems to be some sort of subconscious elevation of Obama to divine status, where he has some astral plane knowledge of his destiny. This would fit in quite well with Obama being called “The One” or “The Annointed One” by many conservative pundits.

I wonder if some of Obama’s opponents have bought into their own hyperbole, to the point where “Barack The Magic Negro“, as Rush Limbaugh has called him, has truly become magic to them on some subconcious level??? I expect more of these type of “I Met The Young Obama”  stories to arise, much like the flying saucer stories arose a few decades before.  About which Carl Jung said:

In the threatening situation of the world today, when people are beginning to see that everything is at stake, the projection-creating fantasy soars beyond the realm of earthly organizations and powers into the heavens, into interstellar space, where the rulers of human fate, the gods, once had their abode in the planets…. Even people who would never have thought that a religious problem could be a serious matter that concerned them personally are beginning to ask themselves fundamental questions. Under these circumstances it would not be at all surprising if those sections of the community who ask themselves nothing were visited by `visions,’ by a widespread myth seriously believed in by some and rejected as absurd by others.–C. G. Jung, in Flying Saucers

Could this also relate to the numerous irrational Birther beliefs that are so evident to those of us who follow this issue?  Consider this discussion of the flying saucer phenomenon, from ALIENS AND ARCHETYPES with TERENCE McKENNA:

MISHLOVE: Well, that suggests to me that if we look at some of the most bizarre, most anomalous cases that we have, such as UFOs, we begin to ask ourselves not so much what are they, because that’s a mystery, but what is their function? How are they affecting us? That’s like holding up a mirror to ourselves, and it tells us a great deal about the basic mystery of our mind and our reality.

McKENNA: Yes, this is the so-called postmodern approach — to ask the question, not what is the UFO, but what is it doing to us? Jacques Vallee pioneered this approach. And the answer is fascinating. What the UFOs are doing to us, to global society, is they are eroding faith in science by casting directly in the path of science a kind of gauntlet, a challenge: “Crack this” — almost as if the cosmic giggle had shown up at the bachelor party of science to spoil the bash, in the same way that the resurrection of Christ posed a tremendous problem for the intellectuals of late Roman antiquity, because they had no place in their world view for someone rising from the dead. They were Greek materialists, atomists essentially.

In that same way, the UFO challenges the assumptions of science, and I think in that sense Jung was really onto something when he saw it as coming from the unconscious. It is like an object coming from the unconscious with a compensatory function — to turn us away from the rational and toward the intuitive; to turn us away from the paternalistic, Apollonian, solar, masculine view of things, and toward a kind of watery, lunar, mysterious, intuitively felt feminine force — almost as though the UFO is a manifestation of Gaia as mother goddess. Science, as the proudest — pardon the word — erection of the rational mind, then is challenged by something from an entirely other dimension, an entirely other realm, that concretizes for us the culture crisis. And that’s why I’ve gotten into UFOs; I think they are important for a resolution of the culture crisis. They concretize the struggle between the paternalistic-masculine and the lunar-feminine, between a dominator society and the kind of partnership society that we require to survive.

http://www.intuition.org/txt/mckenna.htm

You can’t really consider these I Met The Young Obama stories to be Urban Legends because we are getting them first hand. They are not coming from the un-named second-cousin of a friend of the writer.  Neither are these Folk Tales strictly speaking, because once again, we get them from named sources.  However, they may morph into such with subsequent re-tellings.  For now, that leaves them to be either  flat out lies, or subconscious expressions from somewhere deep in the psyche. Or, a combination of both.

When I consider some of the debates I have had with intensely irrational Birthers wherein well-settled legal certainties are trumped by their gnostic-like knowledge, the subconscious approach may be worth pursuing.  Some Birthers do seem to have convinced themselves that they are right.  Sooo, I will try to keep my subconscious mind open. Can a person do that???

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

UPDATE!!! After publishing this, I discovered that Loren of The Fogbow had already published an Internet Article that had two more instances related to a variant of the Prescient President, I think should be called the Annointed President  These fit more into the Urban Legend mode, since they are third-hand re-tellings at least:

Tom Fife: “Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon…You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your President.”

Tim Dowling’s Friend: A friend whose identity I have forgotten pointed to a teenaged, thin fellow who certainly was Barack Obama and asked me: “Do you know that he is being groomed for the Presidency?”

Here is the link to the whole thing, which I found at Obama Conspiracy Theories:

http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7215&hilit=mailman&start=1075#p356806

Note 1. The Image. This is Shoe Shine Boy by Derrick Woodford, (American, b.1957), oil on canvas, 30″ x 24″. It may seen here, and is apparently still for sale:

http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/350584


Corsi Goes Postal With Hearsay Evidence!!!

Pravda Ran The Postman Story As "Ding-a-ling! Ding-a-ling!"

Well,  Jerome Corsi, or simply “Jerry“, as he is known to Sheriff Joe Arpaio and The Cold Case Posse  has done gone and found some more rock-solid evidence that Obama, or some other foreign student with a strange sounding name, was born in either Kenya, or maybe Indonesia, was helped out by the socialist Ayers family, and that the young black man said he was going to be President one day.

Corsi’s source this time, is 69 year old, retired Chicago postman, Allen Hulton. Here is an excerpt from the story:

Sometimes Mary [Ayers] would be out when I delivered the mail, and we would exchange a few words on occasion,” he says, recalling that she liked to talk about her family. “One day, Mary came to the door when I came up to the house with the mail,” he remembers. “After a greeting, she started enthusiastically talking to me about this young black student they were helping out, and she referred to him as a foreign student.”

Hulton assumed that by “helping” the student, Mary Ayers meant she and her husband were financially supporting the black foreign-exchange student with his education. He says that Mary Ayers told him the student’s name, but that it was a “strange name” that he could not remember, even though at the time it sounded African to him.“I was taken aback by how enthusiastic she was about him,” Hulton says. “And I believe she said he was from either Kenya or Indonesia, and I favor Indonesia in my recollection.”)

Hulton remembers asking the young man what his plans were for the future. “He looked right at me and told me he was going to be president of the United States,” Hulton says.

“There was a little bit of a grin on his face when he said it – he sounded sure of himself, but not arrogant. I know how people will say things because they have an ambition, but it did not come across that way,” Hulton says. “It came across as if this young black male was telling me he was going to be president, almost as if it were the statement of a scientific fact that had already been determined, as if his being president had been already pre-arranged.”

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Hulton observed several news reports detailing the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers, and he recalled the encounter with the young man in front of Tom and Mary Ayers’ home.“The facial and physical characteristics, as well as candidate Obama’s voice, matched that of the young black male I met in front of the Ayers’ home,” Hulton says in the affidavit he signed Nov. 12, 2011, for Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation.

“I am positive that the black male I spoke with in front of the Ayers’ house that day was indeed a young Barack Obama.”

The rest of this fascinating story, including all the Ayers’ Family background, and a video excerpt of an interview between Jerry Corsi and Hulton can be found here:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/?cat_orig=us

This is the kind of thing, a sworn affidavit,  that technically might meet the definition of evidence, but has little  in the way of what the lawyers call probative value.  Assuming it was even admissible. West’s Encyclopedia of American Law (2008) defines probative  as:

Evidence has probative value if it tends to prove an issue. However, probative value may refer to whether the evidence is admissible. Rules of evidence generally state that relevant evidence, which tends to prove or disprove an alleged fact, may be excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of the issues, or misleading the jury, or by considerations of undue delay, waste of time, or needless presentation of cumulative evidence. A trial court must use a Balancing test to make this determination, but rules of evidence generally require that relevant evidence with probative value be excluded only if it is substantially outweighed by one of the dangers described in the rule.

West’s Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.

But, because all the really fun information came to Hulton via Mary Ayers, who died in 2000, this is hearsay evidence. Hulton is not able to testify of his own knowledge whether or not the person truly was a foreign student, or where he was from, because all this information came from the deceased Mary Ayers.  Hulton can’t provide probative evidence of the name of the person he met, where the person was from, or whether he was a foreign student or not.

What can Hulton testify to of either his own knowledge, or from statements made by the young black man he met ??? Here it is:

My name is Allen Hulton and sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990’s I met a young Black man in Chicago who I think was Barack Obama, and he told me that he was going to be President one day.

WOW!!! What a tremendous piece of probative evidence that Jerome Corsi, Ph.D has uncovered!!!

Sadly, this is about par for World Net Daily, Jerome “Jerry” Corsi, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and The Cold Case Posse. And they all wonder why their silly little investigations get ignored by the major media.

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter